Live Sound & Production

[tlbonehead]

Originally Posted by Two of Seven

Are the ProLites even available anywhere yet?

there have been a number of dealers on Ebay and Amazon selling the ProLite 2.0. I've found a couple places that list the 3.0 as being in stock but I haven't verified that.

[Gaffle]

We have one of those Crown XLS2500s at my residency. They sound gritty and digital in comparison to a QSC RMX2500 and even a temporary Crown CE2000. The other amps I mentioned sounded much more warm.

[Bugzie]

Crowns blow front to back , QSC's the other way if it makes a difference.

[tlbonehead]

Originally Posted by Gaffle

We have one of those Crown XLS2500s at my residency. They sound gritty and digital in comparison to a QSC RMX2500 and even a temporary Crown CE2000. The other amps I mentioned sounded much more warm.

I really find that hard to believe.

[guido61]

Originally Posted by Gaffle

We have one of those Crown XLS2500s at my residency. They sound gritty and digital in comparison to a QSC RMX2500 and even a temporary Crown CE2000. The other amps I mentioned sounded much more warm.

Some really expensive Monster cables should clear that up.

[twostone]

Another vote for QSC amp

[guitarman3001]

Originally Posted by twostone

Another vote for QSC amp

Even if it's a refurb?

[agedhorse]

Originally Posted by guitarman3001

Even if it's a refurb?

Sure, if it carries their full warranty.

[guitarman3001]

Originally Posted by agedhorse

Sure, if it carries their full warranty.

Per the seller, it's a company that sells them on ebay, he says the refurbs come with a 90 day warranty.

[nchangin]

At lease with Guitar center (if you went used) you would have a 1 year ext warranty for a minimal cost. 90 days.... ouch. May I ask what kinda price your getting on the refurb?

[agedhorse]

Originally Posted by guitarman3001

Per the seller, it's a company that sells them on ebay, he says the refurbs come with a 90 day warranty.

Suspicous

[guitarman3001]

Originally Posted by nchangin

At lease with Guitar center (if you went used) you would have a 1 year ext warranty for a minimal cost. 90 days.... ouch. May I ask what kinda price your getting on the refurb?

$400, give or take.

The seller is legit. ProAudioStar. They sell a ton of them refurbished on ebay and have a brick and mortar store in Brooklyn. Out of approx 85,000 ratings on ebay, they have a 99.5% positive. I've also emailed them a few questions and they replied literally within minutes. I have no worries about the seller, just about the 90 day warranty.

[nchangin]

400 about the going rate on those at GC too. (for used) if you get the first 4 digits of the serial number that tells you the month and year manufactured just to get an idea how old they are too

[guitarman3001]

Originally Posted by nchangin

400 about the going rate on those at GC too. (for used) if you get the first 4 digits of the serial number that tells you the month and year manufactured just to get an idea how old they are too

Not worth buying it used at GC. I found one for $399......but....... they want to charge me $60 shipping, plus 7.5% tax, plus $40 for the 1 yr warranty. When all is said and done, it's roughly $520. I can get a brand new one for less than that if I'm patient and wait for a 20% coupon from MF or M123.

Basically my choices right now are a refurb QSC GX7 or a new Crown XLS2500, or wait for a 20% coupon and then I'd have a choice of either one brand new for roughly $475.

Although there's never any guarantee with those coupons so as it stands right now, if I were to buy today, it's either the refurb GX7 for $400 or the new Crown XLS2500 for $475.

[nchangin]

I'm probably going to get shot at with internet rocket launchers and other weapons of mass destruction but I found this, only saying it cause I know you on low low budget, but seem to hear positive results from what I've read on forums (take it with a grain of salt)

ep 4000 275.00 free shipping
Expected to ship 2/25/13 ---?? something sounds fishy with this deal though
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/pro-a...ower-power-amp

but then I found this:

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Behringe...06-i1448739.gc

same price. free shipping.

New = less stress
Behringer = B word

[VanHalen]

Nobody has even compared the wattage of these two amps yet.

QSC GX7 Power Rating:
8Ω / both channels driven / 725W
8Ω / single channel driven / 800W
4Ω / both channels driven / 1,000W
4Ω / single channel driven / 1,200W

Crown XLS2500 Power Rating:
8Ω / both channels driven / 440W
8Ω / single channel driven / 1,550W
4Ω / both channels driven / 775W
4Ω / single channel driven / 2,400

I think either amp would be fine. It all depends on what you need power-wise.

[guitarman3001]

Originally Posted by nchangin

I'm probably going to get shot at with internet rocket launchers and other weapons of mass destruction but I found this, only saying it cause I know you on low low budget, but seem to hear positive results from what I've read on forums (take it with a grain of salt)

ep 4000 275.00 free shipping
Expected to ship 2/25/13 ---?? something sounds fishy with this deal though
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/pro-a...ower-power-amp

but then I found this:

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Behringe...06-i1448739.gc

same price. free shipping.

New = less stress
Behringer = B word

I have nothing against Behringer. As a matter of fact, I like a lot of their products. Our current mixer is a Behringer and so far it has been excellent. The only problem with the amps you mentioned is weight. I really want something lightweight. I thought about the Behringer inuke line but after looking at the actual continuous power output vs their advertised output, they put out quite a bit less power than the marketing specs claim. The QSC and Crown are rated accurately so I'd rather go with those. Not to mention they have more input/output connector options and that's a big plus for what I need.

[nchangin]

Sounds like your mind is made up! Of the two QSC would be my vote. I had XTI 4000 @ 1200 watts per channel "real" watts as you say and it sounded ok on some 4 ohm boxes. Once I swapped to a 500 watt per channel class h amp the speakers sound mucho better to my ears.

Sometimes I question these class D amps and their specs if they are real compared to other topologies (i.e., class H) after my experience, which isn't a lot of data to determine an accurate conclusion, nonetheless very interested to hear others opinions and facts on that subject.

[agedhorse]

Originally Posted by nchangin

Sounds like your mind is made up! Of the two QSC would be my vote. I had XTI 4000 @ 1200 watts per channel "real" watts as you say and it sounded ok on some 4 ohm boxes. Once I swapped to a 500 watt per channel class h amp the speakers sound mucho better to my ears.

Sometimes I question these class D amps and their specs if they are real compared to other topologies (i.e., class H) after my experience, which isn't a lot of data to determine an accurate conclusion, nonetheless very interested to hear others opinions and facts on that subject.

Virtually every big pro touring amp these days is class d, your experience is indeed very limited. Pro grade products are more substantial compared with mi grade products regardless of output class.

[guitarman3001]

What's the difference between class H and class D?