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Punch up for solos?

My harmonica pickup is a Strnad Transducer - which ends in a cord with a 1/4" TS plug (unbalanced).

 

Currently - I am using a little guitar EQ pedal (that also has a level setting on it) as a little "booster" for when I am doing an actual "solo" - the pedal has like a 7 band EQ on it and one level fader - I just keep the EQ settings "flat" and boost the "level" a "little bit" so when I step on the pedal and engage it - it boosts the output of the transducer for when I am doing a solo.  (Our drummer sets up the PA - on stage - but of course he is playing drums - and can't really "ride the mixer" for stuff like this.

 

Is there a better way for doing this?  I would like to have a way to boost up the bass player too - for when he is doing a little "solo".

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MJastrzebski
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Re: Punch up for solos?

It may depend on the type of music, but when someone solos, the other musicians could lay back.

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agedhorse
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Re: Punch up for solos?

The only other ways are a volume control on the mic, or working with technique.

For your bass player, an amp with a footswitchable boost function or a foot switchable 2 channel amp, boost pedal, the volume control on his bass (may affect tone and/or drive) and technique.

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Re: Punch up for solos?

There's nothing wrong with what you're doing.   A lot of guitar players do that too.  You just need to make sure your normal level and your solo level are right.  You don't want the solo screaming loud and then you can't hear the normal stuff.  It sounds like you have a handle on that though.

As for the bass player, it sounds like maybe he needs to buy an EQ pedal too.  If it works for you it should work for him. 

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Re: Punch up for solos?


wasRbts wrote:

My harmonica pickup is a Strnad Transducer - which ends in a cord with a 1/4" TS plug (unbalanced).

 

Currently - I am using a little guitar EQ pedal (that also has a level setting on it) as a little "booster" for when I am doing an actual "solo" - the pedal has like a 7 band EQ on it and one level fader - I just keep the EQ settings "flat" and boost the "level" a "little bit" so when I step on the pedal and engage it - it boosts the output of the transducer for when I am doing a solo.  (Our drummer sets up the PA - on stage - but of course he is playing drums - and can't really "ride the mixer" for stuff like this.

 

Is there a better way for doing this?  I would like to have a way to boost up the bass player too - for when he is doing a little "solo".


That is one of the best ways I have seen for guitar players to "punch up" for leads.  You are currently running the eq flat, I have seen people shape the lead tone a little to disquinsh it from the rythm tone.

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Re: Punch up for solos?

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I used to do it for my guitar the way you're doing it now. I ran a Boss GE-7 in the FX loop of an L.R. Baggs Para Acoustic preamp/DI. Worked OK, but the GE-7 was pretty noisy. When I started playing two guitars on stage, I got a Radial PZ-Pre, which is a two channel preamp/DI. It has it's own built-in boost footswitch that can also be set to engage an FX loop. It can also either switch (by foot) between two instrument inputs or work as a small 2 channel mixer, and it also has a mute footswitch. This has been a very good all-in-one solution for me on stage for two instruments. They also make a single channel version called a PZ-Deluxe (with no FX loop). There are a few other preamp/DI units out there that have a boost, too. Take a look at the Red Eye and the L.R. Baggs Venue DI, for example. You might not need all the things some of these units provide with guitarists in mind, but the Red Eye might be of interest to you. A simple instrument preamp/DI with minimum EQ controls, a boost, and an FX loop (if you use effects on your harmonica).

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Re: Punch up for solos?

+1 for the Radial Tonebone PZ-Pre. Outstanding little unit -- especially for passive instrument pickups.
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Re: Punch up for solos?

No Bass Amp - just run through the board and monitors.
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Re: Punch up for solos?

Not a bad idea - using the EQ like that - hadn't thought of that - thanks.
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Yes. Thank you.
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Re: Punch up for solos?

See - this is why this is such a great Forum. Yes - the PZ Deluxe looks interesting - although the Boss unit that you mention (which IS the one I have) is about $90 cheaper - the PZ Deluxe also serves as a DI - interesting.
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Re: Punch up for solos?


wasRbts wrote:
No Bass Amp - just run through the board and monitors.

Does he use a Sans Amp?  If not, then a good investment would be the Sans Amp Deluxe http://www.tech21nyc.com/products/sansamp/bassdriverdlx.html.

It's about $70 more than the single channel Sans Amp, but it can be set up for two basses using the two inputs (each input corresponds to a Bank of effects, Bank A and Bank B) each getting 3 separate channels that are programmable, or with just one bass in input A you can have 6 programmable channels (3 on bank A, and 3 on Bank B (but keep in mind when setting up your effects, if you switch banks you'll switch patches).  I have this unit, and I set it up where bank A has Finger, Pick and Slap settings for my Musicman Stingray, and bank B has Finger, Pick and Slap for my Ibanez Soundgear.  I spent time making sure each channel had the same output level, but your bassist can make some different sounds and keep one preset as his Solo preset that has a bump in volume, or drive, or is EQed differently. 

It's meant to be used as a DI, and can be powered with Phantom Power off the board.  I don't use it as a DI myself, I usually have the sound guy take the direct out from my head as I EQ on there also.  But this thing is perfect for someone who isn't using an amp at all, it's kind of like having 6 amps at your feet.

The only somewhat annoying thing is if you want to make changes on the fly, the knobs don't change when you change channels, so they won't necessarily be in the same spot as what you're hearing.  When you move the knobs the channel LED flashes to let you know how far from the saved preset you are, slower means farther away, when it stops flashing you're on it.  But if you take the time at home to set up all your presets you shouldn't need to do much tweaking at the gig.

I've been using a Sans Amp with my bass for about 12 years, and I was doing fine with the single channel stomp box, but when the button started giving me trouble I decided to get a new one, and as soon as I saw this one I knew it was a better investment for the way I play.  This thing would have been useful when I was about 21 playing in a Pop-Punk band using a pick and a Metalcore band playing finger style with the single channel Sans Amp.  I had marked my settings for each band in 2 different colors of chalk, and one night I had a gig with both bands across town.  I got to the metal show just in time to load my amp on stage and play.  The first few notes sounded like crap being played with the pop-punk settings so I just bypassed the sans amp and changed settings between songs.  This Sans Amp Deluxe would have helped me out when I was a two band kind of guy. 

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Re: Punch up for solos?

I forgot that there's also a 3 channel, that is a bit cheaper, and only marginally more expensive ($10) than the single channel.  http://www.tech21nyc.com/products/sansamp/bassdriverp.html

If he doesn't need 6 channels, or doesn't need to be able to set it up for a main and a back up then this would work great for giving him a few different settings, one being his solo boost.  If my main and back up basses were the same I would probably just have this one.

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Re: Punch up for solos?

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For harmionic booster pedal I'd look at something  this Boss VE 20 pedal

Which has EQ,, Reverb, Distortion, Comp/limter, and balanced mic in/out which you could tweak out to give

you punch power. Just my penny's worth of thought.

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Re: Punch up for solos?

I will check this stuff out.  Thank you for the ideas.

 

I do have a Sans Amp Bass DI - but - we don't use it.

 

It's an acoustic electric bass with a pretty nice preamp in it already - and then just direct to the board where the tech EQs it further.  We're actually very happy with the overall sound - it's just that we are getting around to doing more solo breaks - and it is nice to have a way to punch people "up" a little.  Just looking at it all.  I did order one of those radial PZ Deluxe's today - looks nice.

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Re: Punch up for solos?

doesn't the bass player have a volume knob on his/her bass?

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Re: Punch up for solos?

Well - yes - there IS a volume knob - but - what can I say - I don't really like messing with those things.

We "mix" from stage - and the drummer is the "tech" - he pretty much sets things at the beginning - and - pretty much - leaves them alone - with - some exceptions.  If "everyone" (or anyone) is messing with their volume knob all night - the overall "balance" of the mix keeps changing - (shrugs) - I don't know - maybe not that much - maybe - (shrugs) I don't know - but it makes me nervous to think about.

Turning a knob is somewhat variable - did I turn it "up" enough?  - did I really turn it "back" to where it was?

I sort of like the idea of a pedal - where you click a pedal - and get a precise amount of "boost" then you unclick it and go back - exactly - to where you were - not to mention - you don't have to use your hands - which presumably - are busy at that instant - playing the first few notes of your solo? 

The boss EQ pedal that I have been using is alright - but - the little faders are - well - just little - and little changes (do I really have it set at "exactly" the same place as last time???) can make a pretty big difference.  This Radial PZ Deluxe - has a recessed knob - that you turn with a screw driver - that is quite finite - you can set it through trial and error to "exactly" how much "boost" you want - and it stays right there - no matter what - just throw the pedal in a "gig bag" and pull it out and set it up and BINGO - you have the exact same setting you had "last time".  It is working for me.  I have NOT started trying things with the bass player yet - he is still working on his solo - lol - but I am thinking ahead to our next performance.

Maybe I am making things more complicated than they have to be (which I hate to do) - I love to Keep It Simple (Stupid).

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I turn my guitar and bass knobs "with my ears".
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Re: Punch up for solos?


tlbonehead wrote:
I turn my guitar and bass knobs "with my ears".

WoW!!!! I'd like to SEE that.

Kinda like Hendrix playing behind his head I'd imagine.

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How do you get the wax off the knobs?:smileyhappy:

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