Live Sound & Production

[dcastar]

I think Presonus just took another uppercut to the jaw.

http://www.behringer.com/EN/Home.aspx

I'm actually really tempted to look at the X32 Producer -or- Compact for my home studio build project.
Wonder what the price-point will be.  If it's $2k or under,  I'll be very keen on picking one up.

[Dookietwo]

Yes they have some nice stuff coming out. There seems to be a bunch of mixers coming out in the sub $3000 range.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlU7Stq__c8

The above looks interesting as well. Heard in may be in the $2500 range.

Interesting times we are in.

Dookietwo

[ChiroVette]

Right or wrong, for better or worse, here is the way I look at it: Maybe this is an amazing line and will herald a new era for Behringer where their gear isn't snickered at and bitchslapped across the sound world. Maybe their reputation for producing the worst of the worst gear on the market ends here, and the X32 is the proverbial line in the sand. Maybe their pairing up with (or buying) Midas is a great indication. Maybe a couple of years from now, the name Behringer will no longer conjure up automatic scorn and derision, but instead newfound respect. But you know what prevents me from buying into this mixer over, say the StudioLive?

Do I really want to be the first group of people to take this particular leap of faith?

And every single time I ask myself that, the answer is a resounding no. So I will not be a Behringer trailblazer and will be forced to sit in the sidelines and judge from a dostance whether or not their new gear is a flop or receives universal accolades from the sound community. And you know what else? I am fine not being one of the ones who takes that chance.

Sorry, but in the end, one statement keeps running through my head over and over again: "It's fucking Behringer. NO WAY!"

[WynnD]

It's much easier to keep a good name than to change the reputation of a bad name. For Behringer to do this, they need to drag all their products up in quality. I suspect the required price rise that would occur at the same time won't support that.

[RoadRanger]

They have the Mackie DL1608 clone there too. Mackie announced the DL806, eight inputs with 4 monitor mixes, looks like the same package size as the DL1608 for $200 less MAP - seems a bit silly to me not to go the extra $200 for twice as many channels but YMMV.

[StratGuy22]

That's why I won't bite.

It's behringer. It kills me to use the Behringer FCB1010 I'm not expecting a long life, and I'm sure sooner or later it will shit the bed. At that point ill run the lights on automatic scenes and pick up the $400 Roland MIDI foot controller, but the price was right at $160.

If not sooner.

[twostone]

If it were me I'd pass on the X32 and check out this mixer instead http://www.yamahaproaudio.com/global/en/products/mixers/01v96i/

Yes it cost more but it's from a comapny that has long histroy of making relibale products unlike Behringer that has long history of making unreliable products. 

Just my penny's worth of  thought

[StratGuy22]

Nice. M
I have a StudioLive 24.4.2 and a 16.0.2 the only time I've ever used 24 channels was at a small 2 day event. I'm looking to get a 1818VSL after they work out a couple issues.

My next move up would be a GLD80, now that they finally have an iPad App. This year I'm focusing on more light upgrades, so I wouldn't be looking to move into another desk until next year I'm guessing.

[Bobby1Note]

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StratGuy22 wrote:
Nice. M
I have a StudioLive 24.4.2 and

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Speaking of StudioLive 24;4,2,,,, looks like a bunch of us owners just took a real beating in residual value. There's something like a $700. price-drop,,,,,, only on that specific model.

[agedhorse]

I got to play around on the new Presonus SL-32 today at NAMM... now they have a viable platform size (w/ plenty of aux outs) to be maybe a better alternative to the other fully automated boards... primarily for the ease of use for the intended market. Nicely done package with good compromises IMO.

[RoadRanger]

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StratGuy22 wrote:
I'm looking to get a 1818VSL after they work out a couple issues.

I have one - I'd not be holding your breath if I was you. It is only I/O - all the "mixing" is done in software your PC. IMO their lack of being up-front about that is at the least borderline dishonest. In any case they let the studio guys dictate the feature set - another design that was obviously never run by a live sound guy. It is so futzed up that I wouldn't be surprised if it was discontinued.

[Vinny D]

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twostone wrote:

If it were me I'd pass on the X32 and check out this mixer instead http://www.yamahaproaudio.com/global/en/products/mixers/01v96i/

Yes it cost more but it's from a comapny that has long histroy of making relibale products unlike Behringer that has long history of making unreliable products. 

Just my penny's worth of  thought

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Yamaha still missed what the 01v96 has always lacked.....16 real XLR inputs!

[RoadRanger]

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Vinny D wrote:

Yamaha still missed what the 01v96 has always lacked.....16 real XLR inputs!

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Wasn't that thing designed when dinosaurs still roamed the earth? They could at least slap on a color display to make it look like they are trying. BTW has anyone noticed the new Midas by Behringer replacement for the ADA8000 announced at NAMM ?

[abzurd]

Go to the sounforums Jr Varsity board and you may not be so quick to run out and buy the new "B" boards. Many tales of problems. Not just little glitches either. My favorite one that's been repeated a few times is if you lift up or push down on the center of the X32, thus flexing the chasis, the audio stops along with some other badness. Also LED's out, controls not working, etc. Behringer is quick to respond, apologize and offer repair so that parts is good. I realize many peope just use forums to complain but I think a lot of these are regular posters with similar issues. There's now a thread just to capture a checklist of things to check out when you get your board.

Sure, it's a new product line so there are bound to be teething issues, BUT it's hard to leave the stigma behind and get people to trust your brand for mission critical work with these issues.

[StratGuy22]

[quote]I have one - I'd not be holding your breath if I was you. It is only I/O - all the "mixing" is done in software your PC. IMO their lack of being up-front about that is at the least borderline dishonest. In any case they let the studio guys dictate the feature set - another design that was obviously never run by a live sound guy. It is so futzed up that I wouldn't be surprised if it was discontinued.[/quote]

I'm aware of the need for a computer. I have a Mac mini and router in a 3 space ATA case. I was looking to mount an 1818VSL In I as well and have an 8 channel mains & 4 aux's all in one box controlled via iPad

But I need:
Independent aux's
The ability to label channels on the iPad

It would be handy for those small open mics, talking heads, comedians, that sort of thing.

[RoadRanger]

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StratGuy22 wrote:

But I need:

Independent aux's

Yah, they're stereo only presently for the studio guys :facepalm:

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StratGuy22 wrote:

But I need:

The ability to label channels on the iPad

Gaff tape :facepalm:

[RoadRanger]

BTW I just noticed that they are showing the iX16 as having remote control head amps and individual phantoms! Plus their app blows away the one for the DL1608. I wonder when it will ship?

[jlb]

Not looking good for Mackie. Where did you see info for the app?

[abzurd]

B  has been copying M for years. It's the same song and dance. Yes, there appears to be some innovation now, but the photocopier is still plugged in. The past predicts the future so If it ends up appreciably cheaper, it will end up being appreciably less reliable. It fills the niche as there will always be people looking to part witht their money for the cheapest thing.

[RoadRanger]

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abzurd wrote:

B  has been copying M for years. It's the same song and dance. Yes, there appears to be some innovation now, but the photocopier is still plugged in. The past predicts the future so If it ends up appreciably cheaper, it will end up being appreciably less reliable. It fills the niche as there will always be people looking to part witht their money for the cheapest thing.

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The thing I like about the iX16 is that it has no moving parts to fail . Also note it has 16 combo jacks, the DL1608 has only 4. I've never needed more than the four but dislike being limited to what channels they're on. But now that I think about it I mostly use them for the pad and no phantom on the TRS jack so may never use them on an iX16 .