Live Sound & Production

[StratGuy22]

Which way should I describe my system at, now that Yorkville has joined the peak power club in their rating system.

Yorkville U15 Program Power (Watts) 1000 Watts (2000 Watts Peak)

LS800p is rated at 1500W program power, the LS801p which was rated the same as the LS800p is now rated at Program Power (Watts) 1500 Watts (2500 Watts Peak)

So do I call it a 5000W system, or a 9000W system. Or both. A 5000W program system and a 9000W peak system.

[Bobby1Note]

Just refer to it as "kick-ass loud", and call it a day. Watts means squat.

[nchangin]

I would rate it @ 18,000 watts as WAVE MAX peak power flamethrower.

[Mutha Goose]

It's marketting... be a professional... call it whatever you want... like they do!

[Bobby1Note]

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Mutha Goose wrote:

It's marketting... be a professional... call it whatever you want... like they do!

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Bull

[Shaster · Accepted solution]

Is this for your website?

I would be tempted to rate it at Yorkville's new program ratings but leave out the word program.  The reason being that anyone that doesn't know anything will be suitably impressed by the program ratings, and anyone that does know something won't be turned of by the omission of the word program (at least in Yorkville territory), or annoyed by the inclusion of peak ratings.  If I saw a system rated at peak, I might move on because I would be suspicious of the operator's character.

However if these ratings are for a phone conversation, then you might mention both ratings just in case the competing bidder has quoted peak.

Perhaps you'll have to let your conscience be your guide.

EDIT the more I think of it, perhaps do as Yorkville does. Use both ratings.  Anyone checking up on the veracity of your ratings will see the identical figures.  Can't be blamed for using the company's specs.

[Mutha Goose]

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Bobby1Note wrote:

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Mutha Goose wrote:

It's marketting... be a professional... call it whatever you want... like they do!

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Bull

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Yes you're right... marketting as an industry is known for it's integrity and adherence to facts..

[agedhorse]

The marketing departments really hate me... they see me coming and the doors slam shut

[StratGuy22]

EDIT the more I think of it, perhaps do as Yorkville does. Use both ratings. Anyone checking up on the veracity of your ratings will see the identical figures. Can't be blamed for using the company's specs.
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True. I have everything spec'd out according to the old program only ratings. I might do both and say "if we hit 9000W you'll know, because it will suddenly become very quiet.

[Bobby1Note]

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Mutha Goose wrote:

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Bobby1Note wrote:

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Mutha Goose wrote:

It's marketting... be a professional... call it whatever you want... like they do!

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Bull

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Yes you're right... marketting as an industry is known for it's integrity and adherence to facts..

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It had nothing to do with "marketing". This is a bull-shit myth that's being progated here by some, and that was exposed last year, when Bennett Prescott, of Soundforums.net, and general sales manager for B&C loudspeakers for North America, stated that Yorkville was under-rating their loudspeakers. The details are there for everyone to read, if someone cares to do a lil' research. That certainly would be more productive than repeating this crap I'm reading here from time to time. I posted that link over a year ago.

The funny part is, some of those who repeat this BS, will try to convince you that the K-series is a great box. It's a complete joke.

[StratGuy22]

The reason being that anyone that doesn't know anything will be suitably impressed by the program ratings, and anyone that does know something won't be turned of by the omission of the word program (at least in Yorkville territory), or annoyed by the inclusion of peak ratings. If I saw a system rated at peak, I might move on because I would be suspicious of the operator's character.
However if these ratings are for a phone conversation, then you might mention both ratings just in case the competing bidder has quoted peak.
Perhaps you'll have to let your conscience be your guide.
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True. Maybe I could list it at 5000W program, and 9000W peak, aka "DJ Watts"

[Bobby1Note]

IMO, the only numbers that really matter, are efficiency, SPL, and THD. (total harmonic distortion). Somewhere in there, you'll find useable SPL.

[Mutha Goose]

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Bobby1Note wrote:

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Mutha Goose wrote:

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Bobby1Note wrote:

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Mutha Goose wrote:

It's marketting... be a professional... call it whatever you want... like they do!

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Bull

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Yes you're right... marketting as an industry is known for it's integrity and adherence to facts..

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It had nothing to do with "marketing". This is a bull-shit myth that's being progated here by some, and that was exposed last year, when Bennett Prescott, of Soundforums.net, and general sales manager for B&C loudspeakers for North America, stated that Yorkville was under-rating their loudspeakers. The details are there for everyone to read, if someone cares to do a lil' research. That certainly would be more productive than repeating this crap I'm reading here from time to time. I posted that link over a year ago.

The funny part is, some of those who repeat this BS, will try to convince you that the K-series is a great box. It's a complete joke.

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My comment had everything to do with marketting and NOTHING to do with any specific Yorkville BS. Read it again.

[StratGuy22]

Maybe I'll list it as:


Lets just say It will kick everyone's ass in the room in alphabetical order, so if you book me, I'm going to need some names.

[Bobby1Note]

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Mutha Goose wrote:

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My comment had everything to do with marketting and NOTHING to do with any specific Yorkville BS. Read it again.

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Then, I agree with you 100%.

[Pro Sound Guy]

2ohms?

4ohms?

8ohms?

16ohms?

Peak/2 =Program

Peak/4=RMS

Program/2=RMS

I find terribly annoying when looking for a freaking RMS rating of an amplifier or box.

The marketing people are morons.

Be honest, and be accurate.

There seems to be less of that in this day and age.

[dboomer]

What is relevant is usable "acoustic watts"

[Tomm Williams]

Perhaps the best way to describe your system is the coverage capability indoor and outdoor. That info would be of more use to a promoter than wattage ratings. 

[Bobby1Note]

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Tomm Williams wrote:

Perhaps the best way to describe your system is the coverage capability indoor and outdoor. That info would be of more use to a promoter than wattage ratings. 

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Bingo !!!

[Unalaska]

I tend to just stick with XYZ speakers properly powered and processed using XYZ. Watts and ohms should be much an issue and can confuse the contact. It could also start them on the same wattage war looking for someone with a bigger numbered system.