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Re: Experience with powering show with Generator

Agedhorse, the bright side is if he damages his Equipment maybe he will buy a real bass amp next time.
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agedhorse
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Re: Experience with powering show with Generator

Agedhorse, the bright side is if he damages his Equipment maybe he will buy a real bass amp next time.


I will struggle with not commenting on this :smileywink:
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The Chinese
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Re: Experience with powering show with Generator

Yes Todd, and this is the ground/earth reference for everything used at the stage.

Honda may have a GFCI built into their output, negating the bonding requirement for seperately derived systems but it's still a good practice IMO.


You think adding GFCI to all stage power is a good idea as well? Seems to be on surface. And Yes, Absolutely all grounds on stage lead back to the Genny Grounding Rods. Nothing is floating, and I do not permit any Cheaters whatsoever. I gave a bunch of lectures and have often been seen as a bit of jerk on that front... But I'll take the criticism- in fact happy, so long as the person criticizing me is alive and well to do so.


and FYI, Main genny isn't a Duropower...it's a Powerboss. I got confused by becasue I have a 3kW Duropower Propane Genny... that died a very quick death out there.


Lastly... a question for everyone... The Powerboss Genny has an NEMA L14-30. The Genny is capable of 120/240. I've not used this connection, instead I have 4 10Ga. Regular Extension cords. But I would prefer to run that 30amp feed to the amp rack. I'm trying to understand (and the manula isn't clear..) exactly how the power is sent dwon the lines..

I get that there are 2 hot lines, each at 120v, a neutral, and ground. The manual states that it can provide the following:

"This receptacle powers 120/240 Volt AC, 60 Hz, single
phase loads requiring up to 3,500 watts of power at
29.1 Amps for 120 Volts; 7,000 watts of power (7.0 kW) at
29.1 Amps for 240 Volts.The outlet is protected by a
rocker switch circuit breaker."

Now, assuming I buy something like a Furman ACD-100, and ofcourse with the understanding that I have only 29.1amps @ 240 (58.2 @120), would this be recommended? Am I on the correct path? Attach the 250 service to the Furman and I have 3 20Amp Circuits? I'm checking to see if I'm getting this correct or not.

Thanks,

Todd A.
My Rig:

EAW LA325's (2)
EAW LA400's (4)
QSC PLX 3402 (2)
QSC PL1.8
QSC RMX 2450
Ashly ProTea 3.24c
Ashly ProTea 4.24G
EAW LA212 Monitors
JBL PRX-512M Monitors
Whole Lotta Cables
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agedhorse
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Re: Experience with powering show with Generator

GFCI is not a bad thing, but some amps can cause false tripping due to EMI filtering, especially if you have a large number of devices on a circuit. Each one contributes to mains leakage.

The L14-30 would feed a distribution panel that breaks out the hot circuits via branch breakers into typical load circuits with a common neutral shared ACROSS phases. This is typical of how all power distribution is accomplished.
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The Chinese
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Re: Experience with powering show with Generator

GFCI is not a bad thing, but some amps can cause false tripping due to EMI filtering, especially if you have a large number of devices on a circuit. Each one contributes to mains leakage.

The L14-30 would feed a distribution panel that breaks out the hot circuits via branch breakers into typical load circuits with a common neutral shared ACROSS phases. This is typical of how all power distribution is accomplished.


OK, This is where my understanding gets hazy... as far as practical approach goes. Does the Furman unit accomplish this? I *think* it does, looking for comfirmation.

Tx,

Todd
My Rig:

EAW LA325's (2)
EAW LA400's (4)
QSC PLX 3402 (2)
QSC PL1.8
QSC RMX 2450
Ashly ProTea 3.24c
Ashly ProTea 4.24G
EAW LA212 Monitors
JBL PRX-512M Monitors
Whole Lotta Cables
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Re: Experience with powering show with Generator

What you are not seeing is what is happening to the voltage regulation (including overshoot) of the generator under dynamic conditions. The equipment sees this too and some conditions can damage the equipment. You just aren't aware of what may have been happening internal to the generator that could endanger the audio equipment attached to it.



Wouldnt the circuit breaker of the generator trip if i was taking to much load?

Turning it up "1/2-way" has no bearing on how much power is drawn by the system. It just means that you need twice the drive signal for full power. Another common misconception.


Hmm, then why if i plug in my amp at my house my Trimetric meter,which has a function to tell how much power is being drawn, it only reads half the power being consumed when my amp is at noon?

Agedhorse, the bright side is if he damages his Equipment maybe he will buy a real bass amp next time.


Its not my amp, i have no say on what my bass player buys.:smileytongue:oke:
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