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06-11-2003 05:38 PM
Originally posted by sonusman
I read VERY few "negative" reviews about gear in magazines. Something about the reviewer pissing off the manufacture who advertises in the mag or something....
There are things to consider. There are two types of kick drum mics (basically), those with and without "emphasis". Those with "emphasis" would be the likes of the D-112 and the Audix D series mics. By emphasis, I mean that the mic has a "built in" eq curve, via the design. The Beta 52 is more of less a "flat" or non-emphasis mic. It's aim is to be more "flat" in it's response. Other mics that fit this catagory are the EV RE-20, RE-27 n/d (my personal favorite kick drum mic), and from what I could tell with my limited use of it, the AT Pro series mics.
I don't like the Audix D series mics at all. ANY of them. I find their sound to be "hard". Not very open in the bottom. The D-4, when placed well in a kick drum sounded barely adequate for that purpose. I found that when placed to get a good bottom I needed to apply a LOT of high eq to get any definition. When placed for better definition, the bottom was effected severely, and wasn't easily made up for with eq. It was one of the most overall weak kick drum mics I have ever used. The sound company I currently work for stayed with D-112's because the D-4 just didn't cut it. I realise that the D-5 and 6's are supposed to be improvements, but I dont' buy that crap!!! The D-4 got "great reviews", and needed "little to no eq" too, yet it needed new models for improvement? I just don't buy crap like that. They do the same thing with their OM series mics. EV does the same crap with the -57 series mics. I find the "new and improved" versions to have annoyances too in both cases.
D-112's sound good when they sound good, but sound aweful when they sound aweful. To me, they are not "versatile". They either work with a particular kick tuning or they don't. I dont' care too much for pre-emphasis in kick mics anyway, so to me, they don't cut it either, but I would rather use a D-112 over a D-4 any day of the week.
The AT Pro series stuff is a little bloated in the low end, and it is hard to get rid of that bloated low end, although lick most AT mics, they have a very clean top end. For the small price point, the Pro series is a decent buy.
My experiences with the Beta-52 are sort of weird. Like the AT Pro series, they tend to have a sort of bloated low end, but I find that it bloats a little differently, and I like it a bit better than the AT Pro series. The difference mainly is the top end. I cannot for the life of me get adequate "click" on a kick drum from a Beta-52. Now, for some musical styles, this is no problem whatsoever! But for modern hard rock, metal, etc... not getting that click to come out sucks hard! Just just wind up with a big ol' "boom" in the sound with no click. For more traditional rock sounds, it is just the ticket.
The EV RE 20 and 27 n/d are very good kick drum mics. A very natural sounding bottom end that can easily be enhanced, and a top end that sound great when additive eq is applied at the console. The 27 n/d handles high SPL better, and outputs a hotter signal, and is the kick mic I use most of the time. The kick just seems to have a more focused sound, with a tighter bottom than most any other kick mic I have ever used.
There is no easy choice here. But I have found the RE 27 n/d to be a consistent performer for bass drum applications. It is far out of the price range though of the other mics you have listed. I would probably consider the "familiarity factor" here, and go with a D-112. You will find more soundmen comfortable seeing one than the D-6.
Opinions are going to vary here.
06-11-2003 05:52 PM
06-11-2003 05:56 PM
Originally posted by Drumtech
As a drummer and a guy who works in sound reinforcement, I can tell you that as long you tune your drums well, in this case the kick, you really do not need alot of EQ (maybe a few db cut in the low mids) to get a good sound. The problem, as I see it, is with drummers that have a terrible acoustic sound and expect everything to be corrected by the soundman. I'm not sure of your level of experience but you may know that your drums will sound different from venue to venue. It really doesn't matter how your drums sound in your basement or studio. When you get to a gig, try to tune your drums, do your best to remove funky overtones and keep the resonance at a minimum without sacrificing the sound. This will allow the soundman to project the acoustic sound of your instrument more acurately and with minimal EQ...
06-11-2003 07:07 PM
06-12-2003 08:21 AM
Originally posted by steamyz
I have never heard of anyone using a D-4 in the kick - i have them inside (may system) of all of my toms and they sound great.
I also have the new D6 inside of my kick and im happy with it.
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06-13-2003 07:56 AM
Originally posted by Electron
does anyone know of what the drummer from fear factory uses?? His double-kick sound is just so perfect sounding, and a sound like that around where i live would blow people away.
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