Live Sound & Production

[Tomm Williams]

Originally Posted by agedhorse

Because people do not understand how the numbers work. Period.

A box that's a realistic (as in average, with the response in the +/-3dB range) 96dB/1W/1M, rated at a realistic power handling of 225 watts continuous (based on power compression curves) will compete quite well with many of today's exaggerated marketing claims. Powered at 350 watts (reasonable given the way the continuous power is rated, with proper HPF) is going to be pretty impressive. Folks do not understand the loss of sensitivity tradeoff that's made when trying to achieve higher numerical power handling. The point of diminishing returns bitch-slaps you time and time again in the design phase.

Looking at some of the specs from BagEnd products, their wattage ratings (on some boxes) are astonishingly low but their efficiency ratings are very high.

[Tomm Williams]

Originally Posted by agedhorse

Do you mean MRX?

Yes, similar though the weight of the MDF is heavier. Sensitivity is within a dB or so, and power handling is about a dB shy as well (using my normalization to real world).

If you are in the area, give me a call and you can play around with them.

Let me give JR a call and see when we can make a road trip.

[Tomm Williams]

Originally Posted by agedhorse

Do you mean MRX?

Yes, similar though the weight of the MDF is heavier. Sensitivity is within a dB or so, and power handling is about a dB shy as well (using my normalization to real world).

If you are in the area, give me a call and you can play around with them.

Let me give JR a call and see when we can make a road trip.

[Gordon Sound]

I have over the years been forced to look for hi sensitivity speakers.

[Gordon Sound]

I have over the years been forced to look for hi sensitivity speakers.

[agedhorse]

Originally Posted by Tomm Williams

Let me give JR a call and see when we can make a road trip.

Road trip... with lunch

[agedhorse]

Originally Posted by Tomm Williams

Let me give JR a call and see when we can make a road trip.

Road trip... with lunch

[tlbonehead]

Originally Posted by Gordon Sound

I have over the years been forced to look for hi sensitivity speakers.

who is forcing you?

[tlbonehead]

Originally Posted by Gordon Sound

I have over the years been forced to look for hi sensitivity speakers.

who is forcing you?

[Unalaska]

If you're buying speakers while keeping current amps its nice to buy higher sensitivity. Getting the most out of every watt is a great way to save on AC draw and keep am costs down. They look great mark, might have to try some out!

[Unalaska]

If you're buying speakers while keeping current amps its nice to buy higher sensitivity. Getting the most out of every watt is a great way to save on AC draw and keep am costs down. They look great mark, might have to try some out!

[Tomm Williams]

They look like an excellent match for my IPR1600's.

[Tomm Williams]

They look like an excellent match for my IPR1600's.

[W. M. Hellinger]

Originally Posted by tlbonehead

you sure are trying to bust ass over a sub $200 speaker.

Heck, why not? We're all here sitting around the table.

I don't mind... in-fact, it's all good. $200 or $2K speaker... it's all good conversation.

The devil is in the details... let's lay them out and talk about it.

[W. M. Hellinger]

Originally Posted by tlbonehead

you sure are trying to bust ass over a sub $200 speaker.

Heck, why not? We're all here sitting around the table.

I don't mind... in-fact, it's all good. $200 or $2K speaker... it's all good conversation.

The devil is in the details... let's lay them out and talk about it.

[Unalaska]

The 12" looks kinda like the ones I built. Guts are different but not far off.

[Unalaska]

The 12" looks kinda like the ones I built. Guts are different but not far off.

[RoadRanger]

Originally Posted by Tomm Williams

They look like an excellent match for my IPR1600's.

Yah, my monitors are about the same rating and the IPR1600's are plenty of overkill . Just for yucks I once wired four of my monitors in series/parallel on an RMX850 which got them down to 75 watts each and the limiters were barely flickering when up at max GBF with "average" (AKA not particularly strong or weak) singers. It still amazes me that there are lots of bands hereabouts that "need" more than 110db at their ears from their monitors .

[RoadRanger]

Originally Posted by Tomm Williams

They look like an excellent match for my IPR1600's.

Yah, my monitors are about the same rating and the IPR1600's are plenty of overkill . Just for yucks I once wired four of my monitors in series/parallel on an RMX850 which got them down to 75 watts each and the limiters were barely flickering when up at max GBF with "average" (AKA not particularly strong or weak) singers. It still amazes me that there are lots of bands hereabouts that "need" more than 110db at their ears from their monitors .

[Axisplayer]

Originally Posted by RoadRanger

It still amazes me that there are lots of bands hereabouts that "want" more than 110db at their ears from their monitors .

As Andy always says....I fixed it for you.