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scanner vs mover

Chauvet Intimidator Scan LED 300 vs Intimidator Spot LED 250 - 60W vs 40W, yet the slightly narrower beam 40W mover specs out as twice as bright as the scanner.

 

Has anyone compared these two fixtures? Comments?

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Re: scanner vs mover

Nope, but I'm definitely interested in this thread!
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Re: scanner vs mover

I've used neither but if your question is regarding the difference between a moving mirror and a moving head then that's reasonably easy.

Moving mirrors are very fast and were the bread and butter of the club generation (the rave generation) over here in the Uk (and Europe). The other notable difference is that it's only the mirror that moves rather than jostling around the whole fixture all the time. Whether this made them more reliable or not I don't know. I suspect it did most of the time.

I always preferred moving mirrors but maybe that's because they were pretty much the only option we had back then so we got all precious about them. I can't honestly remember the last time I saw one in a professional environment.

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Re: scanner vs mover

Yeah, I knew about the speed difference but I play in a band, and beams whipping around is not really a look I am fond of. 

Can anyone else comment about the brightness specs vs the LED power?

 

Scan LED 300 60W,  21 degree beam angle, 2850 lux @ 2m

Spot LED 250 40W, 17 degree beam angle, 5970 lux @ 2m

 

Is it better optics on the Spot? 

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Re: scanner vs mover


mate_stubb wrote:

Yeah, I knew about the speed difference but I play in a band, and beams whipping around is not really a look I am fond of. 

Can anyone else comment about the brightness specs vs the LED power?

 

Scan LED 300 60W,  21 degree beam angle, 2850 lux @ 2m

Spot LED 250 40W, 17 degree beam angle, 5970 lux @ 2m

 

Is it better optics on the Spot? 


I can't speak to the brightness of the 300 or the 250. I've owned the Scan 100 which was really a waste of money (no where near bright enough if used with any other light). And I have 4 Spot LED 350s. These REALLY cut through. Really nice fixture.

But from the numbers you posted above (if accurate and measured under comperable conditions) the 250 will blow the 300 out of the water in terms of brightness.

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Chauvet's numbers have always been in dispute as widely inaccurate and generally misleading.  I think that the Scan LED 300 is definitely better than the Spot LED 250 for a few reasons:

1) Higher power LED.  The 60w LED should definitely get you more overall brightness.  The Spot LED 250 may have a more concentrated and seemingly slightly brighter beam, but the twofold brightness dispute is probably just Chauvet's numbers.

2) Wider beam.  For short throws, you want a nice, fat beam.  The wide beam angle of the Scan LED 300 is a huge advantage.

3) Remote focus.  The focus of the Spot LED 250 is adjusted via the screw-lens on the front.  The focus on the Scan LED 300 is adjusted via a DMX controllable motor in the unit.  This allows for nice soft focus projections or razor-sharp hard edge projections.

4) Programming.  Position programming is much more of a pain with a moving head than with a scanner.  You do lose some pan/tilt range with a scanner, but the programming & movements are generally much easier because you don't have to worry about which way you start moving the fixture every time.

5) Build quality.  I have personally used the Scan LED 300s and love them.  One of the things that I noticed right off is that they're made from a nice thick metal (thin, but thicker than lots of other DJ-level fixtures I've seen) whereas the Spot LED 250s have a plastic outer shell.  The one thing to worry about durability-wise is the mirror, but you can easily make spares if you buy some small first-surface mirrors so you don't have to pay for the exact Chauvet replacement.  They have to be "First-Surface" mirrors though or else you will get a double image on the wall.  You should be able to get inexpensive pieces of first surface mirror and cut them to make replacement mirrors should you break your a mirror.

So, there's my case for the Scan LED 300.  Ever since it came out it's been one of the fixtures that I will always recommend first on this forum.  Impressive fixture for sure.

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Interesting. I agree the numbers are fishy, which is what prompted me to ask.

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Re: scanner vs mover

@soundlight - would you expect 4 of the LED Scan 300s to keep up with 8 Q12+ fixtures?

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It's the physical size of the 350's I don't care for. Just so big!



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I think that (4) Intimidator Scan LED 300 would keep up with the (8) Q12+, especially compared to the Intimidator Spot LED 250s.  If you were to look at the Intimidator Spot LED 350s, that would be another matter as the 350s are obscenely bright for their size & power and are capable of really throwing beams around a room.  The 350s are easily equivalent brightness-wise to professional MSD250-lamped moving lights (ie Martin MAC250 Krypton/Entour).  So I think for your application the Scan LED 300s will be fine, and they'll do an excellent job covering the stage compared to narrower LED movers.

As for the size of the 350s, as I've said before, I consider them tiny movers while y'all would consider them quite large!

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Well then. Looks like Scan 300s it is. I was set on some Spot 350s but that extra $1000 for a set of 4 makes it a but rich for me right now. I was also worried about the weight and bulk - I am also a keyboard player, and carry organs and pianos in addition to all the lights.

 

Thanks for the feedback everyone!

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Revisiting this - I'm still convinced that the chauvet scanner 300s are the way to go for a small/medium band stage - but have been really liking the vids of their barrel scanner too.

If you were doing 4 fixtures, would you choose 4 of the scanner 300s, or 2 scanners and 2 barrel 300s? 

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In my opinion barrel scanners are a DJ effect or if you're doing a 70's/80's cover band that will be doing a lot of disco songs.  I think 4 single beams looks really good.

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Re: scanner vs mover

I agree with Steve,  You'll get more mileage out of the scanners than the barrels.

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I have two 300's and love them. I would like to eventually add some movers, but I'd settle for two more scanners.
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You can do quite a bit with 4 scanners. :smileyhappy:


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Re: scanner vs mover


mate_stubb wrote:

@soundlight - would you expect 4 of the LED Scan 300s to keep up with 8 Q12+ fixtures?


Here's some examples of eight LED Scan 300's working with twelve 12x10Watt RGBW led fixtures...
I did turn the RGBWs down to about 70%-75% since they were washing out the 300s...

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That's an awesome looking light show, JLB!

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mate_stubb wrote:

That's an awesome looking light show, JLB!


Thanks, but for the record, I brought in some help....  The eight scanners were his and he operated them separately from my lights...  I do however think we worked well together running the whole show...  It looks good seeing our individual scenes change at different times...

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