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I have the 1080 and old D series gear. Strangely when I was demo-ing a Fantom earlier, I noticed a strong similarity to many of the single tone pacthes - like brass, wind and paianos... So it seems that the PCM synthesis has a linear herritage.
I disagree with the haters here - the JV1080 has some great sounds and applications in the studio or in your rig still.
I am lucky to have both the DVD Tutorial and a the add-on Resources Discs for this to get everu ounce of usability from it...
02-12-2013 06:43 AM - edited 02-12-2013 06:45 AM
08-10-2013 10:05 PM
I like the sound of the Roland JV-1080, but if you want good acoustic piano sounds, I'd buy a Yamaha Motif rack (even the first model is awesome and each newer one is better). If you definitely want Roland sounds, buy a Roland Fantom XR rack ....acoustic piano is miles better but the Motif rack acoustic pianos are still better.
The best rack is the Yamaha Motif XS but you kinda gotta watch Ebay close and be patient to get a good deal.....I've seen them for $600 which is awesome. The Motif rack XS even has 5 knobs for quick edits....the 2 older Motif racks don't have those. All three Motif racks are outstanding. The electric pianos in the Motif racks are to die for but all categories of sounds are great and well represented. Outstanding sampling done to make these !!!!
1st - Yamaha Motif rack
2nd - Yamaha Motif rack ES
3rd - Yamaha Motif rack XS
08-11-2013 12:42 AM
My biggest roblem with JV and XP series is that it mostly has weaker waveforms than all available alternatives. But than you shine with the expansions that makes the cost higher. Also, Trinity of that time had 5 insert effects and JV/XP only one. That is a huge difference for setups and MIDI sequencing.
08-13-2013 12:00 PM
Earlier in this thread, I bought a JV880. I loved it so much I got a JV2080.
Mind you, I used to have a V-Synth GT. And sold it because it was strangely boring. I know! I can't believe I just said that. But it's true. I actually like the JV sounds much better. It's got a lot more dirt and nasty in it.
The vintage card alone is enough to justify it. I use the Mellotrons constantly.
It's also super easy to edit. I really don't know what everyone is complaining about.
08-13-2013 02:17 PM
I would say that any of the JV/XP units would be useful in a studio, even today. They just have so many useful sounds right out of the box -- especially orchestral instruments, bass guitars, organs, acoustic guitars, percussion sets, pads, etc. The pianos and EPs are not on par with higher end and more recent offerings, but they're still serviceable and sound fine in a mix.
I still have my XP-30, and it still has a lot of my go-to sounds for certain instrument types. In my opinion, it's the best bang for your buck in the XP/JV line, since it comes stock with so many useful sounds.
08-14-2013 07:16 PM
Because of keybdwizrd and wc olo garb (Jexus) a lot of synths have been sold and valued once again. They are the GAS masters. I love their demos.
I just saw this... thanks.
I don't think I've ever been called a GAS master before... can I add it to my LinkedIn profile?
08-21-2013 02:54 AM - edited 08-28-2013 10:25 PM
I bought a used Roland XV-5050 for $228 yesterday including shipping on Ebay.....pretty good deal.....I was going to get a Roland Fantom XR but it would have been at least twice that.....I also have a shallow rack with my powered mixer and vocal effects processor and the XV-5050 will fit into it where the Fantom XR is too deep to fit.
I hope the Roland XV-5050 doesn't have bad problems with note-stealing due to the 64 note polyphony......it might as it uses stereo waveforms which might use more polyphony than the mono waveforms in the JV series......I'm sure that I can tweak it where it will conserve polyphony even if I have to go back to not using both stereo waveforms for sounds......I'm sure it will sound fine using only one of the two stereo waveforms if need be.....hopefully you can set pan for the waveforms to center them in the stereo field......I assume note-stealing with the XV-5050 is not a huge problem as I don't hear about it in reviews for it......it's funny.....on the old Yamaha synths in the 80's you could get by with 16 or even 8 note polyphony and things were ok and the music sounded fine.......64 notes of polyphony would have been a dream come true back then.....I'm not planning on using the XV-5050 with a sequencer much so I'm sure that playing one sound at a time should hopefully be acceptable and I'll tweak it if there are any problems......that synth for $228 is a pretty good deal but I've seen the original Yamaha Motif rack on Ebay for $300 from time to time which is a better deal as it has 128 note polyphony and has better samples for the most part, however, the XV-5050 has a lot more synth sounds and pads which I like than the Motif rack does.....
The Motif racks (even the first one) have awesome acoustic pianos......I can't believe that Korg and Roland released such awful acoustic piano sounds for so long.....although some people will argue with me on this, I've always viewed acoustic piano as hands down, the most important sound you have......Yamaha acoustic piano sounds in their synths have been pretty bad too until they started improving in the EX series and in the Motifs, I think all Motifs have great acoustic piano sounds (not as good as their digital pianos but definitely good enough for solo piano gigs and in the studio).....the newer the Motifs, the better the acoustic piano is, but I use the acoustic piano from the first Motif (in my Motif rack) all the time, even now...
Even though the Roland XV-5050 is only 64 note polyphonic, it has way better effects than the JV series and has most of what's in the Fantom XR and has digital outs.....it also can do 3 effects at once.
I plan on editing it with the computer....I like the fact that the USB jack is on the front.
I still like my Motifs better but it has a zillon sounds and is worth it's weight.
I have a Korg Karma and want to get a Korg Triton rack as it has a digital out on it standard and has the same waves as my Karma.....I have used my Karma as my right hand / top synth for many years......it does this so well......it has tons of sounds none of my other gear can beat and I have a Roland XV-3080 and a JV-1010 and a Yamaha Motif ES6 and the original Motif rack......I actually prefer the Motif rack over the Motif ES on certain sounds.....all 3 Motif racks have digital out standard
On the Yamaha Motif ES6 I added the expansion board that adds digital in's and out's......I will record everything into it digitally and master it to a Sony CD recorder.....every step of the way will be digital.....zero noise....the Sony CD recorder has an optical input
I consider my Motif ES6 to be my best synth and it's also my recording studio
The Motif ES6 was the last Motif to accept PLG expansion boards and to have a breath controller jack......I wish I had bought the Motif ES7 instead though so I could have 76 keys instead of 61.....the Motif ES8 has 88 hammer action keys but is too big and heavy to make me want to move it all the time....I have a Yamaha Motif 8 in storage.....not enough room here for everything.....I bought the Motif 8 in 2002 new....
If you play a Motif ES6 from a Yamaha P35 piano, the P35 has the best acoustic piano sound and key action and you can even use the pitch bend and modulation wheels on the Motif while playing the weighted keys......pretty cool
The P35 piano has 88 hammer action keys and weighs under 30 pounds....it has MIDI but not all Yamaha keyboards have MIDI anymore.....some just have USB
I always thought the Roland Fantom X acoustic piano sounded way better than the supernatural piano sounds from Roland but my Motifs beat the Fantom X acoustic piano sound and my Yamaha P70 piano beats the Motif's acoustic piano sounds.....the Yamaha P35 is pretty much identical to my Yamaha P70 piano and is for sale currently for $450 on Musician's Friend dot com.....the Yamaha P70 piano is discontinued.....I bought my P70 in 2006 for $600 and have had zero problems with it.....it's funny...when I play my P70 I forget I'm playing an electronic instrument.....it has perfect action and sound.....it feels like a real grand piano and every key has perfect action, sampling and velocity switching....I still prefer synth action for synth sounds though....the Yamaha P70 and P35 don't transmit aftertouch but I prefer not to have aftertouch on my bottom keyboard.....I beat the crap out of my bottom keyboard and trigger aftertouch when I don't want it......
The Korg Karma as my top keyboard has awesome aftertouch......the Korg Triton has better quality keys but I like the keys on my Korg Karma.....I trust it completely and it delivers......I've never had any trouble with it and love the sound set (but I'm not crazy about the acoustic piano sound in the Korg Karma, but that sound is covered elsewhere in my other keyboards)......
A strange thing about the Korg Karma is that all sounds can be overwritten (except General MIDI sounds) and so you can tweak it endlessly and keep improving it.....it holds a TON of patches and combinations....I would prefer having 500 or 1000 user slots but nobody gives you that many......I'm not a big fan of losing your preset sounds which can happen with the Karma...you can also replace the floppy in the Karma with a USB or SD card reader.....on Tiger Direct they make USB / SD card readers with floppies that will replace the stock floppy disk drive.....I like the idea of keeping a floppy available as Korg made floppies for it and they wouldn't need to be converted to load them.....
My Roland XV-5050 arrived....very good deal for $228 since the JV-1080 usually isn't much under $200 used on Ebay. Recording from the digital outs is outstanding quality. To me, it sounds a lot clearer than my Roland XV-3080. I would not buy a Roland JV-1080 when with patience you can get an Roland XV-5050 for a little over $200. Other than the sampling option, the Roland Fantom XR doesn't give you that much more than the Roland XV-5050 and I have heard from several sources that the Roland Fantom XR sounds are a mess and most need editing before using them. The 128 note polyphony on the Fantom is nice, but using the Roland XV-5050 in patch mode, one patch at a time, polyphony isn't really an issue. I mainly wanted to be able to record Roland sounds digitally into my Yamaha Motif ES and can do that now.
I know that a lot of the extra waveforms in the Roland Fantom XR that are not in the Roland XV-5050 are for the "Ultimate Grand" piano sound (it has over 800 samples) and I have better acoustic piano in my Yamaha Motif ES and my Yamaha P70 piano than that piano sound.
One other thing, the Roland XV-5050 has all the sounds that are inside all of these synths:
I think it has all the sounds inside all of the JV and XP keyboards as well. It also has some sounds from the Fantom (the XV-5080 doesn't even have those).
If you want to use a Roland synth for sequencing or making performances, you really need 128 note polyphony or 2 Roland XV-5050's (I still prefer having two synths to one as layering is sooooo much easier....the volume controls instantly create the mix). I've always wished that synths would show total volume in the corner of the display, even if it's tiny.....with that information, you could re-create exact mixes between multiple synths instantly just by having the volumes and patch names needed for each written down.
Tomorrow I need to call Roland and find out how to convert JV & XP patches for the XV-5050.....I have JV, XP and XV sound libraries on disc.....I know that you can do it, but the effects may vary as the effects in the synths changed as they evolved, so effects may need tweaking to sound the way they did before in the older synths. I have heard that performances cannot be converted which kinda bites if you are a person who put tons of work into an older synth making performances. I guess you would have to continue using the older synths to use those performances. This actually is pretty common with many manufacturers to totally abandon old technology (including how fast they quit making sound cards and expansion boards).....good thing there is Ebay but that takes a long time and a lot of money and you still may never get them all.
With the Roland Integra 7 they put all their expansion boards inside it, although you can only load 4 cards from internal memory chip at once (pretty dumb!!!). The Roland Integra 7 doesn't sample like the Fantom XR......also (I hear this a lot) the Roland XV-5080 DOES NOT SAMPLE!!!! You can load samples and Wave files and Akai files but it doesn't actually sample.....and it doesn't hold very many samples. My Yamaha Motif ES can hold up to 1 GB of samples that it can sample (although everyone tries to tell you it can only hold 512 MB)......the Fantom XR holds a little over 512 MB because it has sample RAM installed before you add the 512, but not very much.
Speaking of effects evolving, the Yamaha SY77 and TG77 (same synth, keyboard & rack) evolved into the SY99 which had a more advanced effects section, extra samples and the ability to add your own samples if you put memory in it.....but any patches loaded from the 99 to the 77 or visa versa had absolutely no effects.....that's a pretty crappy way to do things since effects can literally "make" the sound. Getting the effects to sound right from scratch is a lot of work !!! I've had all three and the SY77 was my main synth for a long time, but now I only have the TG77.....I'll probably never sell it.....the DX7 inside it is miles ahead of the two real DX7's before it.....and it's wonderful to have a full range of effects for TG77 DX7 sounds (the first two series of DX7 keyboards didn't have built in effects).....also, the DX7 in the TG77 doesn't sound dated like the two series before it.....it sounds like samples without the annoying DX7 flavor of the two DX7's before it.....it is also more advanced than the two before it.
The first driver for Windows XP for the Roland XV-5050 from a Roland site didn't work but the other one I got from a different Roland site works great. It saves and loads banks fine and the free editor works great.
Roland XV-5050 Sounds (64 note polyphony) -
Groups A - H: 128 in each
GM Patches: 256
User Bank: 128
Total: 1,408 Patches including
the user bank
Bank A: 32 Performances
Bank B: 32 Performances
User Bank: 64 Performances
Total: 128 Performances including
the user bank
Patches & Performances added together: 1,536 total
Rhythm Sets (Drum Sets):
Banks A - H: 2 Sets in each
so 16 sets in banks A - H
GM: 9 sets
User Group: 4 Sets
Total: 29 sets including the
Waves for building patches: