01-20-2011 08:01 AM
01-20-2011 10:40 AM
I don't think anyone is saying "The End of the Motif", but more the Motif is no longer "Top Dog" (save a few of those PC3 NUTJOBS!).
Considering that KRONOS 61 will cost $3000 in the US, which is 25% more than the Motif XF6 (and maybe be 1.5 times as high as the Motif XS6 which probably is being blown out for under $1800), I see lots of people choosing the cheaper Motif, especially with the current economy. I also see lots of people going for much cheaper Korg M50 61 or Yamaha MO6 and M-Audio Venom combo. So again, the end of the Motif is highly exaggerated. If the KRONOS really catches on and wins strong sales by this Fall or Winter (though I strongly believe it will), and if the sales of the Motif XF end up not as good, then Yamaha will probably have to alter their marketing and pricing. However these things don't happen overnight and the Motif XF would probably enjoy good sales for a few more years. However, I do hope that Yamaha took a serious warning with the release of the original OASYS and considerably enhanced up their development efforts. The Motif XF is obviously a transitional model and probably the last in the series, developed with only "limited resources available", to according to Yamaha US. So there is probably something big going on up there in Japan. But even if not, this is not the end of Yamaha, they are much larger than Korg and have far more diversity. Even if Yamaha next-generation flagship will not be able to match the price and feature level of KRONOS, they could just continue to sell lower-end keyboards like the MO-series and MM-series for quite some time.
01-20-2011 10:54 AM
01-20-2011 12:18 PM
01-20-2011 12:40 PM
I don't think anyone is saying "The End of the Motif"
but more the Motif is no longer "Top Dog"
01-20-2011 12:48 PM
Hmmm that doesn't really sound like audio tracks... it sounds like MIDI tracks in the sequencer that trigger user-loaded samples rather than ROM samples. Audio tracks is when I record my acoustic guitar, vocals, ocarina etc as part of the song... at least that's how I see it, am I wrong in my definition?
They do have audio tracks in the sequencer; technically they call it "Integrated Sampling Sequencer" so this involves user sample waveforms and MIDI notes, however these details are handled transparently by the OS, so you only see audio phrases. You can loop the audio, then automatically slice the audio into multiple fragments containing individual notes, then apply loop remix and tempo change. You can even export the complete song to Cubase using their AI extensions for Motif. The drawbacks are the loading time, the 32 Mbyte sample limit (mono), and the overall limit of 16 tracks (no matter audio or MIDI).
01-20-2011 01:34 PM
01-20-2011 04:21 PM
01-20-2011 07:31 PM
You can probably move these audio phrases to flash memory as well, however user waveforms need to be assignesd unique names and I'm not sure if this is handled automatically or requires some manual work.
Yamaha already provides plenty of free content in the form of Inspiration In a Flash. You can also download Xspand Your World which is even more
A CP1 software upgrade will never happen. That would require a different hardware chip for the XF. You already have plenty of great pianos available from third-party developers anyway..have you checked out the
Sonic Reality Rock Grand Piano? 500 MB, and it’s awesome...plus Sonic Reality has released another new electric piano library for the XS and
XF - and it’s fantastic sounding.
The price of the XF is already lower than the Kronos equivalents.
Karma is separate software and cannot be loaded “into” an XF. Plus, the
pricing of Karma (already quite reasonable) is up to Stephen Kay, not
Here’s what you’re missing - the Kronos is Korg’s response to the Motif.
It’s aimed squarely at Motif’s market. It even looks somewhat like the
Motif XF. But features don’t sell a workstation - sound does. 99% of customers don’t care how a sound is achieved - and most of them wouldn’t
know the difference between 24-bit and 16-bit, or FM and analog, or modeling and sampling. Most of them make a judgement call based on the piano sound. That’s it.
Korg has an uphill battle ahead of them. Yamaha is firmly established as
the leader. I’m not saying I hope the Kronos doesn’t succeed. I do. The
difference is with all these Yamaha bashers here, they seem to want Yamaha to fail, which I don’t understand. It’s counterproductive. And it’s not like Yamaha will fail anyway - I’ve been doing sound
design for them since 1991 and I’ve seen this same scenario many times.
The original Roland Fantom was going to put Yamaha out of business.
The Roland V-synth was going to kill the Motif. The OpenLabs Neko was
going to “destroy” Yamaha’s sales.Kurzweil came back and that was surely the end of the Motif series. Software instruments were going to
be the “death” of Yamaha. And now, it’s the Kronos. “This time it’s different” - no, I don’t think so.
No product from competitors has ever “killed” Yamaha. But I can think
of many competitors products that actually did fail - not to mention some companies that tried to put out competing products and went out of
business completely (like General Music).
All of you who think buying a Kronos will be a step up on the ladder to
success might benefit more from working on your songwriting, arranging,
and audio production skills.
01-20-2011 07:43 PM
01-20-2011 08:03 PM
It's funny now to watch the MOTIF XF video after knowing what the KRONOS is.
01-21-2011 02:07 AM
Well, genius, no-one owes you anything, so why don't you go and learn these facts yourself, then return to us with more sparks of your infinite wisdom? Somehow I don't expect to see you back soon, no-one can figure out the actual procedures from the Motif reference manual without having the actual unit at hand, and certainly not the parts relating to flash memory management. But of course you don't care, since your only intention is to troll around with useless ramblings.
Huh, what the....? "Probably-I'm not sure"?? http://www.yamahasynth.com please check the user manuals and then: Shoot the SH_t!! Why write that 'I' "guess" sh_t about XF at all? Learn facts first, then spout general info later, 'pleaese', that sounds so rediculous coming from folks I thought had a clue, even a small one. Come on, get over it.
01-21-2011 03:06 AM
01-22-2011 09:02 AM
01-22-2011 11:04 AM
I did. And I bought something else. And your trolling comments attacked me, not the comment. Like I said, WATCH THEIR VIDEO and listen to the sales pitch knowing what we know now. Yamaha continues to put a new shade of lipstick on the same old pig year after year. Not impressed.
WHY NOT Play One FIRST?.
What you're experiencing with these units is the result of our warehouse crew intentionally "overpacking" this product.
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