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Hilarious. This is the 3rd time of trying to post this:
Originally Posted by bruto
Even if you didn't, if you went to another forum, you'd be the newb and wouldn't know anybody. And after you started to learn everybody, you wouldn't like any of them any better. We all may not all get along, but we know each other and have for a long time.
Plus, there aren't many forums that would allow a thread like Hai Guyz (well, when EP isn't throwing his moderator weight around to close it).
So, is Musician's Fiend the reason this forum sucks or the sysops?
Originally Posted by bruto
Plus, there aren't many forums that would allow a thread like Hai Guyz (well, when EP isn't throwing his moderator weight around to close it).
So, is Musician's Fiend the reason this forum sucks or the sysops?
Where have I heard that before? 
Originally Posted by The Real MC
This is not aimed at the moderators BTW.
So here's the current situation.
MF has been working with a company on a new platform since the spring. There have been several issues that slowed things down, the primary one being how to get user reviews into the site. I recommended not worrying about user reviews given the dire situation with the forums, and that I felt the community would rather have useable forums and have to wait a few months for user reviews online than to have to wait even longer for useable forums. Assuming, of course, anyone would be left by then...
I've spent the last few days poking around the test environment. It's fairly close to what we have now in terms of look and feel, so it shouldn't be the horribly disorienting experience 2.0 was. Yes, there are some differences, but the silver lining is that the current state of the forums is so bad I'd settle for something that required a little getting used to as long as it was fast, reliable, and stable.
Right now there's an internal debate about whether to flick the switch sooner rather than later and hope for the best, or be more cautious and do more testing. The HC 2.0 experience was so traumatic we don't want a repeat. But the current situation with the forums is to wretched that it's hard to imagine anything worse. I have checked out other forums using the same platform, and I will say they're all zippy and stable. Some of them, like the AT&T forums, are pretty huge.
The other downside to launching asap is there will be little chance to prepare the community. "Hey guyz, guess what! New forums! Have fun!" was not the intention. But again, compared to the way things are now...
I do have to say a word in defense of "the suits." First, none of the current people were involved with the decisions that resulted in HC 2.0. They are acutely aware of how much the current situation sucks, as well as how much HC 2.0 sucked. The reality is that there are the resources to keep patching this platform, or the resources to build a new one, but not both. The problem with patching this platform is that delays when a more robust platform can be implemented. I'd prefer to deal with a crap forum if it means getting a good one sooner, than deal with a somewhat workable forum with a good one fading off further into the distance. In that respect, I feel they've picked the less worse of two bad options.
I am cautiously optimistic because the alternative is jumping off a very tall building
The situation will be resolved soon, very likely this month. There's a certain amount of risk involved, so the question is whether it's a major risk or just a chance of a few glitches cropping up. I guess we'll find out.Stay tuned. I haven't slit my wrists yet. That would make it too difficult to cross my fingers
There are now eight music videos posted on my YouTube channel, including a cover of "We Gotta Get Out of This Place," which joins "Little Pieces", "Black Market Daydreams," and "When the Grid Goes Down" (complete with disturbing video )
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BTW if I don't reply to any comments, I'm not being standoffish. It means I can't log in 
There are now eight music videos posted on my YouTube channel, including a cover of "We Gotta Get Out of This Place," which joins "Little Pieces", "Black Market Daydreams," and "When the Grid Goes Down" (complete with disturbing video )
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Originally Posted by Anderton
Actually, the "content side" with the home page is on a different platform. It sucks too, which you'd find out real quick if you tried to interact with it like, y'know, publish an article or newsletter...
I appreciate that, because I remember sitting in a hotel room in Frankfurt covering Musikmesse, just before the HC 2.0 launch, and begging that they not flick the switch. Then when they did, I was left twisting in the wind because I'm the most visible person on the forums. At least they listened to me when Jon Chappell and I said they HAD to switch the forums back to vB, which did solve the problem for a while.
So here's the current situation.
MF has been working with a company on a new platform since the spring. There have been several issues that slowed things down, the primary one being how to get user reviews into the site. I recommended not worrying about user reviews given the dire situation with the forums, and that I felt the community would rather have useable forums and have to wait a few months for user reviews online than to have to wait even longer for useable forums. Assuming, of course, anyone would be left by then...
I've spent the last few days poking around the test environment. It's fairly close to what we have now in terms of look and feel, so it shouldn't be the horribly disorienting experience 2.0 was. Yes, there are some differences, but the silver lining is that the current state of the forums is so bad I'd settle for something that required a little getting used to as long as it was fast, reliable, and stable.
Right now there's an internal debate about whether to flick the switch sooner rather than later and hope for the best, or be more cautious and do more testing. The HC 2.0 experience was so traumatic we don't want a repeat. But the current situation with the forums is to wretched that it's hard to imagine anything worse. I have checked out other forums using the same platform, and I will say they're all zippy and stable. Some of them, like the AT&T forums, are pretty huge.
The other downside to launching asap is there will be little chance to prepare the community. "Hey guyz, guess what! New forums! Have fun!" was not the intention. But again, compared to the way things are now...
I do have to say a word in defense of "the suits." First, none of the current people were involved with the decisions that resulted in HC 2.0. They are acutely aware of how much the current situation sucks, as well as how much HC 2.0 sucked. The reality is that there are the resources to keep patching this platform, or the resources to build a new one, but not both. The problem with patching this platform is that delays when a more robust platform can be implemented. I'd prefer to deal with a crap forum if it means getting a good one sooner, than deal with a somewhat workable forum with a good one fading off further into the distance. In that respect, I feel they've picked the less worse of two bad options.
I am cautiously optimistic because the alternative is jumping off a very tall building The situation will be resolved soon, very likely this month. There's a certain amount of risk involved, so the question is whether it's a major risk or just a chance of a few glitches cropping up. I guess we'll find out.
Stay tuned. I haven't slit my wrists yet. That would make it too difficult to cross my fingers
I appreciate that, because I remember sitting in a hotel room in Frankfurt covering Musikmesse, just before the HC 2.0 launch, and begging that they not flick the switch. Then when they did, I was left twisting in the wind because I'm the most visible person on the forums. At least they listened to me when Jon Chappell and I said they HAD to switch the forums back to vB, which did solve the problem for a while.
So here's the current situation.
MF has been working with a company on a new platform since the spring. There have been several issues that slowed things down, the primary one being how to get user reviews into the site. I recommended not worrying about user reviews given the dire situation with the forums, and that I felt the community would rather have useable forums and have to wait a few months for user reviews online than to have to wait even longer for useable forums. Assuming, of course, anyone would be left by then...
I've spent the last few days poking around the test environment. It's fairly close to what we have now in terms of look and feel, so it shouldn't be the horribly disorienting experience 2.0 was. Yes, there are some differences, but the silver lining is that the current state of the forums is so bad I'd settle for something that required a little getting used to as long as it was fast, reliable, and stable.
Right now there's an internal debate about whether to flick the switch sooner rather than later and hope for the best, or be more cautious and do more testing. The HC 2.0 experience was so traumatic we don't want a repeat. But the current situation with the forums is to wretched that it's hard to imagine anything worse. I have checked out other forums using the same platform, and I will say they're all zippy and stable. Some of them, like the AT&T forums, are pretty huge.
The other downside to launching asap is there will be little chance to prepare the community. "Hey guyz, guess what! New forums! Have fun!" was not the intention. But again, compared to the way things are now...
I do have to say a word in defense of "the suits." First, none of the current people were involved with the decisions that resulted in HC 2.0. They are acutely aware of how much the current situation sucks, as well as how much HC 2.0 sucked. The reality is that there are the resources to keep patching this platform, or the resources to build a new one, but not both. The problem with patching this platform is that delays when a more robust platform can be implemented. I'd prefer to deal with a crap forum if it means getting a good one sooner, than deal with a somewhat workable forum with a good one fading off further into the distance. In that respect, I feel they've picked the less worse of two bad options.
I am cautiously optimistic because the alternative is jumping off a very tall building
The situation will be resolved soon, very likely this month. There's a certain amount of risk involved, so the question is whether it's a major risk or just a chance of a few glitches cropping up. I guess we'll find out.Stay tuned. I haven't slit my wrists yet. That would make it too difficult to cross my fingers
Sounds like they will have to give the new platform a try.
Timing with NAMM is not great but this place is for free and worth it in the long run.
I hope all goes well and thanks for staying sane
. If it goes wrong just blame it on me - I can take it 
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