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Bernard
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Re: OT: The Photography Thread

A long time ago, before the first DSLRs were made, many people asked for this on photo forums:

http://nikonrumors.com/2012/12/17/ni...px/#more-50604

The small size of the RX1 shows it is now possible.

It would also mean if Nikon ever did it Canon users could get a Sony/Nikon sensor for their new CaNikony
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I mean, if you really want to get down to it, a true VCO isn't controlled by voltage anyway, it's controlled by an exponential current that is converted from the linear input voltage. So VCOs aren't really directly controlled by voltage anyway.
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Re: OT: The Photography Thread

Ok so I'm a noob at photography, only have used point-and-shoot cameras all my life.

So a friend of mine wants to sell me his Canon EOS-1D MkII DSLR. He wants 500 for the body/battery which is in mint condition for an 8 year old camera (which used to cost 5 grand back then). I've messed with it and it's breathtakingly pro. But I'd have to add lenses and a flash so by the time I can actually use it I'd be paying close to 1000 dollars and that's probably more than I'd want to spend on it.

I'm also considering a Canon Rebel with a 18-55mm lens, and that would cost me about 600something if I want the fancier T4i model. I see those used on Craigslist, new is around 800, though I did find a new one for 645.

Or, I could just get a Panasonic Lumix camera (FZ60) which is supposed to be very good for a point and shoot, spend about 300 bucks and be happy.

What is a noob to do?
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Re: OT: The Photography Thread

Do you want a GREAT Point and Shoot (simple fast easy great), or do you want to really dig in and learn about photography aperture/shutter/depth of focus, and have tons of potential options in lens etc (and expense)?

Answer that first maybe?
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Re: OT: The Photography Thread

I don't want another money pit, no.

I'd like to learn some of that stuff but I'm not going to become a "photography artist". I just want to take good pics of our kids and family, especially during our trips
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Re: OT: The Photography Thread

Many of the best point and shoots do allow you to manually adjust the photography stuff - if you want or need to.
Canon P&S always treated me well, but lately Panasonic is kicking major butt. SIZE will make a difference too: slip in pocket for convenience or carry around in a separate case? For P&S I prefer slip in pocket style. I bought a Canon T3i for HD video, and my brother bought a CANON SX??? Point and shoot. And I swear his SX makes pictures as good as mine and video as clear. It has all the "auto" stuff turned on to make it best looking out of the camera (where I need consistancy from video shoots) but it looks fantastic for general point and shooty-ness. I know I could drop his HD video into my productions and no one would be the wiser.

Hopefully, others more knowledgable than I will speak up, because this site seems kinda weak: http://point-and-shoot-camera-review.toptenreviews.com/
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Re: OT: The Photography Thread

CR,

The Lumix cams are some of the best compacts. I have the FZ35 but I use it mostly for video. It's got an amazing 18X optical zoom too.

But I got to admit: a 1D MkII in mint condition for 500 bucks sounds very tempting. It's got several features that the 600D doesn't. Just get the "nifty fifty" (Canon 50mm f1.8 lens for about 100 bucks) and you can do portraits, family/kids pics, travel, etc. If somehow you find yourself restricted, i.e. needing the zoom to shoot distant subjects, actions, etc (the nifty fifty is a single focal lens: you can't zoom), then just sell it.

Or... ask your friend to include a lens just to get you going.

FZ35 (a.k.a FZ38):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TY3BZvFaGns
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hahahahaha is that the camera into a MIRROR??? Doesn't that cause the universe to implode or something?? That was cool!
Video Editing SKEERED me until I found VEGAS. It works like a DAW and ran pretty fast on my older, weak PC. But be warned, video editing can be addictive!

But you made me think of something very interesting: great video out of the box... like yours, mine seems a little to dynamic, too black, not really showing everything clear - where FLAT settings help bring out everything (washed out looking) then you get to tune it like you want. But couldn't one do PART of that in the camera? So there is nothing to tweak once it is out of the camera?

Flatten out showing more detail by flattening Sharp: 3 contrast: -4 Saturation +2 or whatever (I cant remember the actual possible settings in me head), tune it to look great coming out instead of editing it. hmmmmm. imma have to try that. That might seem like a no brainer, but if you dont color your video, you gotta do it in camera

Calibration IS important. But you can't let that stop you. I'm pretty decent at calibrating, but am still learning the "allowed" color levels. My poor man's cheat is to calibrate my editing monitor exactly like my TV: using color bars, DVE video disc, AVSJD709 free disc, and even those THX SETUPs on DVDs. If it looks the same on your editing monitor, and on your TV, then it will look nearly the same everywhere. Check youtube too, of course. It does some weird stuff to the color space. (see LEVELS)

Forgot to mention: I went back to SHARP 3 because I don't think I know enough of how to SHARPEN in post, of if I have good tools. Anything past 3 starts to show those lines... but 0 was too soft for me. I did a bunch of tests on a test pattern and decided 3 worked best for me
I was looking through the mount with the naked eye to see how the mirror and the shutter work mechanically (amazing stuff) and noticed a few sparkly little dots. I knew they were the AF points, so I grabbed my Lumix FZ35, mounted the Raynox macro lens and got a closer look. I still can't tell on what surface they're embedded. I thought AF points are embedded on the sensor itself, but they are not. It looks like they're located on a thin rectangular surface that is activated only when the mirror is down, right between the sensor and the mirror (Bernard to the rescue!)

Great video right out of the box: that's what I am working towards. To do this, I know (0,-4,-2,0) can't be the right parameters for that, especially with sharpness set to 0 and contrast set to -4.

I wonder if it's possible to find out the settings they used for that CINESTYLE template.

About monitor calibration, etc: you are right that it shouldn't stop me. Plus, I don't think I'm ready to start messing with this variable yet (there are already too many other important variables to worry about). Also, I just remembered that I replaced the screen of my laptop (old one was broken), so this new screen isn't the original (I think it's refurbished, unbranded). Bernard also mentioned to me once that with today's technology, it's unlikely that my screen suffers from major uncalibration issues. I think calibrating your PC monitor to your TV screen is a great idea for the reason you mentioned.

Now I'm going to research an extremely important point you raised before: the truth about the Full HD-ness of the 600D. Why shoot Full HD if it's not Full HD? I'll just stick to 720p then. Good news for my weak laptop, but very BAD for Canon IF it's true that it's not Full HD
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Re: OT: The Photography Thread

The best P&S camera hands down right now is the Sony RX100. Around $550, but WELL worth it!

http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2012/0...camera-review/
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Re: OT: The Photography Thread

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpqArbgMayA
ElectricPuppy wrote:
I mean, if you really want to get down to it, a true VCO isn't controlled by voltage anyway, it's controlled by an exponential current that is converted from the linear input voltage. So VCOs aren't really directly controlled by voltage anyway.
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"Canon or Nikon. Which one gives you a hard-on?"

LOL
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Canon does it for me, but YMMV. Think of it like comparing a Kronos to a Motif XF. Both get the job done and great things can be said about the sound sets on both. But in the end, it's whichever feels best to you. See if you can try both and see if one "speaks" to you. Look at lenses available for both, user interfaces, available accessories, etc. You'll find plenty of YouTube videos on both platforms to educate yourself. And these guys around here are more than capable of answering any more specific questions you have. Good luck and keep us posted on what you discover.

Sorry Med, I didn't realize that was from you ... I thunk it were a noob. lol


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lol Midinut, those were "opportunity shots" I took as I was driving around. Never really saw horses that close, so I got out of the car and started shooting. I had just gotten that compact cam from eBay. I wanted it solely for its massive optical zoom.

I will go back to that ranch when the weather gets better, but this time with the Rebel!
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Picked this up not too long ago.


Nice little find. by Computer Controlled, on Flickr

Been on a 35mm point and shoot kick lately =o]
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Now I'm going to research an extremely important point you raised before: the truth about the Full HD-ness of the 600D. Why shoot Full HD if it's not Full HD? I'll just stick to 720p then. Good news for my weak laptop, but very BAD for Canon IF it's true that it's not Full HD
yeah... I'm very NOT IMPRESSED with the pixel crunching faked 1080 resolution on my Canon T3i camera. But, over all, it works fine and is "good enough" for me right now. I need better scripts, not better gear. I'd warn you against 720 though as it produces noticeable "jaggies" verses the 1080 setting. I use 720 ONLY when I want 60P so I can do some slo-mo stuffs
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Quote Originally Posted by Acid Hazard View Post
Picked this up not too long ago.


Nice little find. by Computer Controlled, on Flickr

Been on a 35mm point and shoot kick lately =o]

As WIKI says and I recall in the past:

''The Stylus Epic is somewhat of a cult classic among avid photographers due to quality and speed of the lens, a rare attribute among compact cameras.''

I know a causal user that did not get on with it, so it still needs a good hand at the shutter release ;-)
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Quote Originally Posted by wwwjd View Post
yeah... I'm very NOT IMPRESSED with the pixel crunching faked 1080 resolution on my Canon T3i camera. But, over all, it works fine and is "good enough" for me right now. I need better scripts, not better gear. I'd warn you against 720 though as it produces noticeable "jaggies" verses the 1080 setting. I use 720 ONLY when I want 60P so I can do some slo-mo stuffs
I did some tests but I don't know what to make of them:

I recorded 3 ten-second-long NTSC vids of the same subject, from the same distance, under the same lighting conditions, with the same camera parameters. The camera was hand held.

Video 1: 1080p, 30fps -----> 54.2 MB
Video 2: 1080p, 24fps -----> 51.5 MB
Video 3: 720p, 60fps -----> 50.4 MB

I cannot reach a factual conclusion about whether the 600D is full HD or not because the fps is not consistent. An ideal, conclusive test would be the same fps for both 1080p and 720p, for example: comparing 1080p-30fps to 720p-30fps.

Which brings me to question why the hell aren't all fps's (24, 30, 50, and 60) implemented for both 1080p and 720p.

Anyway, I personally believe this camera is not full HD @ 1080p. But I couldn't verify this anywhere on the internet.
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Re: OT: The Photography Thread

Mediterranean wrote:
I can't find the photography thread anywhere in this stupid mess. Can anybody link me to it please? I hope it was not removed.

Thanks.

 Here ya go....

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Thanks Bernard.

Canon T3i users: do you get this pink line at the bottom of the frame when you record a vid at 1080p?

Thanks.

 

 

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wtf is wrong with the video frame size?? and what happened to my famous avatar??

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