06-25-2011 07:58 AM
06-25-2011 08:45 PM
06-26-2011 06:39 AM
06-26-2011 02:29 PM
it has not been a deal breaker per the +100 Kronos owners that have checked in, posted
Fan noise is a deal breaker... I think Korg could learn a thing or too from modern video cards. They are far more powerful and run hotter than the CPU in the Kronos and yet many mid range ones can run passive. Use a heatpipe from the CPU connected to a big external heatsink on the back - sorted and silent.... Having no vents, and small faster spinning fan is not smart
06-26-2011 02:50 PM
Vents have their own problems... it's a place moisture or debris can get in. (I happen to have used a Kronos on an outdoor gig yesterday.) Sure, I'd rather there was no fan, but for me, it's not a deal breaker. For me, at a gig, I wouldn't notice it; and when recording, I often use sealed-back headphones anyway (which also addresses the HD and sometimes fan noise of my laptop). It depends what you need, and what your alternatives are. If you look long enough, you can find a potential deal breaker in any design, nothing is perfect. If you can get everything you'd want from a Kronos out of some other keyboards(s) without fans, that could be a better choice for you.
Fan noise is a deal breaker... ... Having no vents, and small faster spinning fan is not smart
06-26-2011 04:29 PM
06-27-2011 06:22 AM
Yeah for most people I can see how master mode would work. I'm not trying to sound all cool and stuff, but from a patch POV I guess I'm kind of an "Extreme" user. I don't have 128 unique sounds yet that I use, but I'm pretty close. I see myself eclipsing it within the next 6 months at the current rate. We do a lot of pop radio and I really go for authenticity. We currently have over 200+ songs we do, and I reuse some patches of course but I really just need more than Master Mode offers as it's implemented in the synth. Why there's only 128 when there's 384 performances I'll never understand. This is all part of the reason why I'm bitching so loud about it. Even my Korg 01/W from 1993 had 200 slots for this purpose! I don't know what board you were using that had 64 slots, but the 200 on the Korg is where I'm coming from and that's from almost 20 years ago. So yes I do need another solution. Currently it's performance mode and manually changing patches on my M50. Thankfully it has a GREAT patch management system which I can make custom categories and sub categories that I can access via the touchscreen so it's pretty fast. I tried to categorize them on the Motif at first, but it's just too many patches to manage as it built up. I haven't tried the 3rd party software to regroup it assuming that would be easy. I should though. Just haven't gotten to it. We also have a 3 second rule in the band (Can you say dance floor? They scatter the MOMENT the music stops!) so I'm very busy! LOL To make matters worse we don't USE a set list. EVER. I have to pay attention and often have to anticipate where I think the band leader is going. A performance mode that worked as expected with external MIDI gear would have made my life SO much easier!
NuSkool, I understand your frustration. But if you spend time with Master mode, and get all the stuff tweaked at home, it makes your gig a lot easier. I think your comparisons to older keyboards midi implementation doesn't hold much merit- you usually had 64 programs total on those boards, not the 128 master slots. If you are using more than 128 unique sounds in a night, then you may need another solution. I've been using Master mode live for several years now. I don't use it like a set list and have patch A1 be the 1st song on the list, A2 the 2nd, etc. I put my sounds wherever the next open slot is, and then have a set list that has the patch number next to the song. I have them somewhat grouped- bank A is different pianos and layered pianos, B electric pianos and layered EPs, C strings/pads, D horns and misc. E leads. F,G,H are all song specific patches. I might use an acoustic piano 6 times in a night, I don't need a different patch for each song, I just pull up A1. But when I need a 4 way split/layer, I create that performance and then map it to a patch in Master mode. It took me about an hour to fully integrate my Nord Stage into my rig, having the S90ES calling up patches from the Stage with master mode. That was going thru every song on my set list and mapping out what sounds I needed so that 2 button presses (bank and patch number) will work my whole setup. I've found it to be one of the easiest ways to manage my 2 keyboard setup for a band that takes literally 2 seconds between songs, and I have to have my patch called up before the song starts.
06-27-2011 10:09 AM
Fan noise is a deal breaker...
I think Korg could learn a thing or too from modern video cards. They are far more powerful and run hotter than the CPU in the Kronos and yet many mid range ones can run passive.
Use a heatpipe from the CPU connected to a big external heatsink on the back - sorted and silent....
Having no vents, and small faster spinning fan is not smart
06-29-2011 04:35 AM
06-29-2011 07:55 AM
06-29-2011 01:10 PM
AFAIK: Remember the sliders and knobs you had in performance mode where you could control each of the sounds in that patch should you need to? GONE! So are all the other control surfaces if memory serves. You NOW only have a master volume to control the WHOLE performance within the master. There will be no tweaking filters or individual volumes on the fly or any NONSENSE like that!.
06-29-2011 05:58 PM
I suppose you're talking about the 61-key version since both 73 and 88 on the Kronos are RH3 weighted hammer action (same as on M50/M3 AFAIK).
06-30-2011 04:27 AM
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