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Re: Alesis Vortex - Internal Pictures, personal thoughts

I have taken my AX7 apart a few times without incident... it's not that bad... just keep track of which screws go where...
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Re: Alesis Vortex - Internal Pictures, personal thoughts

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Mike-

One more question. When you took the thing apart and unscrewed the screws, are they decent enough hardware that you feel confident you could take it apart and reassemble it without any stripping? I tried to take apart an AX7 once and the screws had internal fittings that fell into the guts of the instrument. I gave up on that thing.

I want to pull it apart and spray paint it.

Thanks-

-dj
yah, I don't see a problem. Remember, they are small screws and the plastic is soft but as long as you're doing it by hand and not a drill, it's fine. I wouldn't take it apart a hundred times, but no problem for a few times at all.
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Re: Alesis Vortex - Internal Pictures, personal thoughts

I got one and hooked it up last night. Its OK for the price but would be friendlier to organ techniques (my favorite) with a higher key trigger point and less velocity sensitivity. To you posters who have electronics experience: can the keybed be replaced with something FATAR?
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Re: Alesis Vortex - Internal Pictures, personal thoughts

Not without a complete redesign of the circuit boards (assuming you could find a 3 octave fatar keybed).
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Key sensitivity

I've looked over the quick guide and can't find how to decrease the sensitivity of the keys. I'm after a hammond organ responce , either key on or key off.

Advise o' wise ones.
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Re: Alesis Vortex - Internal Pictures, personal thoughts

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I've looked over the quick guide and can't find how to decrease the sensitivity of the keys. I'm after a hammond organ responce , either key on or key off.

Advise o' wise ones.
I don't think there's a user-changeable setting for that. I've been all up and in and over this thing and I don't recall seeing that as something that was user changeable.

sorry.
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Re: Alesis Vortex - Internal Pictures, personal thoughts

Hey, Mike-

Have you figured out how to change velocity curves? They document them, but again, how do you select them?

Thanks again-

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Another MIDI thing

So, after some random button pushing , trying to figure out how to assign the knobs, knob 1 hits 127 at about 3/4 of the travel of the control then starts the count over. Any effect i assign to the control flutters back to 0 and then to 127 when the knob is all the way up. I can't find a reset button. I have had the batteries out for a couple of hours, that didnt reset. How do i recallibrate this control?
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Re: Alesis Vortex - Internal Pictures, personal thoughts

Thanks for the in-depth look at the Vortex. I'm like you, a serious user of the strap-on keyboard (I hate the k-tar word) and also not a fan of the Rolands. My favorite is the Casio AZ-1. I'm going to take advantage of the mod's offer and send him my views on how to make a good unit. 

Like you, I have mixed feelings about the Vortex (which I do own). 

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Re: Alesis Vortex - Internal Pictures, personal thoughts

I wrote a review of the unit, here are my thoughts:

I got one of these as soon as they were released to potentially replace my Casio AZ-1. The AZ-1 is a vital piece of gear for my live show and I'm not crazy about relying on 25 year old tech. I have yet to gig the Vortex but will give it a shot soon. I love this style of keyboard but will be the first to admit that in the wrong hands (which is most of them) they are cheesy. But that is a topic for another day.

 

I like that the Vortex has aftertouch. Aftertouch is such an overlooked but useful controller and on a keyboard like this where one tends to play one handed it is vital. The AT works well on the Vortex but the keyboard action itself is a bit crap. I can get used to it but need to put more time in to getting a feel for the keys. 

 

I was hesitant about the thumb controlled pitch bend and my fears proved to be legitimate. It is very difficult to use the pitch bend and the ribbon controller at the same time, and I often use two wheels at once on my AZ-1. (The AZ-1 has three wheels in the neck, two of them assignable)

 

I tried using the ribbon controller for pitch bend but unfortunately, at least on my unit, when I go to either end of the ribbon it resets to zero, so a full octave is hard to accomplish. This is a real problem as I use the pitch wheel ALOT on my AZ-1 to compensate for the shorter keyboard. I guess I should send mine back to get the ribbon issue addressed. 

 

Getting back to the keyboard, I do wish that this unit had 41 keys. I miss the keys up top when I'm playing but with some re-programming and re-mapping of my key splits can overcome that, I just haven't put the time in yet. 

 

The Vortex is very, very light. I never considered my AZ-1 to be heavy but the Vortex puts it to shame in that department. 

 

I like that the neck isn't overly long (my biggest beef about the AZ-1) and the controls are pretty well placed. With more practice octave switching will become easy and being able to assign the ribbon to three different controllers will become handy in time. The accelerometer is going to be a very useful feature once I have it dialed in and really practice with it. Being able to use a little 'english' on the keyboard will add to the performance if used with restraint. One 'feature' not pointed out in the literature are the three LEDs at the end of the next that light up when played. They are a very bright blue color. I'm not crazy about them but maybe will warm up if I can replace two of them with red and green. (I'm redgreenblue, so it would be fitting) 

 

The drum pads are well placed and being able to assign cc or notes is great. I can see lots of potential for this. My live setup has me never touching the computer and being able to trigger notes, sequences and cc events from the drum pads will be very useful.

 

The USB connectivity makes this a very useful keyboard for lying on the couch and playing with soft synths on the iPad. Alesis deserves praise for making this IOS compatible. 

 

But that brings me to the next issue and my biggest complaint about the unit. Take a look at the shape, and specifically take a look at where they connectors are. How does one set the unit down when they are not playing it? There is NO reason for this not to have right angles so you can set it down guitar style when not in use. And having the cables on the 'bottom' means you couldn't set it down that way anyway! I alternate between the AZ-1 and a regular keyboard in my show and don't want to spend a lot of time setting it down. And I don't have the space to carry a guitar stand. This drives me nuts. 

 

Overall I do like the Vortex. Not as much as my AZ-1 (plural, I've ended up with three of them for backups/parts) but will eventually program a set that will combine the Vortex with a Remote SLZero for my super-portable rig. And I definitely like it more than the absurdly stupid Roland units. I hate almost everything about the AX-Synth: too big, too heavy, too expensive, a synth engine that NOBODY wants, no aftertouch, midi port in the middle of the unit….The only worse decision they could have made for that unit would be to paint it with a lead based paint. The AX-9 is less stupid but still nothing I have any interest in. 

 

I'm glad that this style of keyboard is being manufactured again. I'd love for Roland to get their head out of their backside and make a new AX-7 with no synth engine, which again, nobody who actually uses one of these on stage wants. Scoff all you want, with the right player these keyboards can be expressive and creative tool. And if you don't believe me, come see me play sometime. 

 

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Re: Alesis Vortex - Internal Pictures, personal thoughts

There have been a few comments about how to stand up the Vortex with it's pointy shaped base. For $20, I picked up a mandolin stand, and it works perfectly and folds up nice and small to pack to the gig!

A few thoughts of mine that haven't been mentioned yet, after using the Vortex for a couple months, and using for about 7 songs in our live show (used for 5 gigs so far):

If you don't want to spend $70 on the Vortex case from Alesis, a baseball bag (bat size) works well for about $30. I bought a Rawlings one. Had to cut the end out of one pocket to slide it in, and then back, but no big deal.

The accelerometer triggers when the Vortex is bounced on you knee or leg, which is not good if you want to jump or bounce around the stage. So I just leave it turned off. Probably saves on battery life as well.

I was wondering how I would tell when the batteries were getting low. This weekend I noticed the LED display was flickering, and when I tried to change to another performance preset, nothing changed on the display. It seemed to play OK, so I guess this is an early warning sign.

Keep an eye on the slider thumb button. It just snaps on to the slider and pops off quite easily. I had to look around in the dark for mine on night while setting up.

I am using my Vortex to control my main keyboard. Almost all of my sounds are made from 2 or more MIDI channels layered together. The problem is, the Vortex only outputs on one MIDI channel at a time, not OMNI. To solve this problem, I bought a MIDI Router box from "MIDI Solutions" ($120). I have it set up so that anything input on MIDI Ch. 1 gets output on MIDI Ch. 1-4, and anything input on MIDI Ch. 2 gets output on MIDI Ch. 5-8. This works great. Also, by having a different sound on my main keyboard on Ch. 5-8 that is only played by MIDI control, I can use the Vortex Lower and Upper controller to switch between 2 different sounds.

If you are looking to go wireless, the M-Audio "Mid-Air" is a good unit. Problem is it has been discontinued, but if you look around you can still find one. I bought mine for $110. The receiver also provides the power for my MIDI Router box. I get a range of about 30 feet from the receiver. The transmitter clips nicely to the base of the guitar strap and the coiled cord reaches the MIDI output port perfectly.

If you want to take your keyboard to the street, play around the campfire or on a boat, Costco sells the iON "Blockrocker". Charge it up and no AC Power required for about 12 hours of playing time! Plug in your iPad with your favorite keyboard App (I like "Sample Tank" by IK Multimedia, and connect the Vortex with the USB cable and a camera connection kit. Pretty cool. Note that the iPad will not provide enough USB power for the Vortex, so you still nee to use the battery power.

I am really having a lot of fun with it, and am getting quite a few "looks" from curious spectators every time we play. Probably wouldn't have bought one if it wasn't so cheap, but I am sure glad I did!

Rock & Roll !!

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