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[2manband]

Fixed.:thu:

Clearly nobody who enjoys soft drinks is capable of nefarious activity. Haven't you read the thread?

[chainsaw fats]

No, but arresting him without an investigation would.

No, it wouldn't. Investigation is not inherently a part of "due process" as a trial is. You're out of your depth as per usual.

[Electric Catfi…]

Clearly nobody who enjoys soft drinks is capable of nefarious activity. Haven't you read the thread?

Yes, I've read the thread, but apparently I missed the part where somebody suggested that. I also missed out on the victim's "nefarious activity," unless there is something nefarious about walking down the street having a snack.

[Squeakor]

Apparently, Trayvon Martin called 911 right before he was shot. I've no idea why the police held that information back. :confused: The FBI are currently analyzing the tape.
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/video?id=8593399

Video interview with the eyewitness who's backyard was where the shooting happened.
http://www.wftv.com/videos/news/interview-with-witness-of-sanford-teen-shooting/vGYPW/
The actual fight seemed to have taken place 3-4 houses away from where Zimmerman ended up shooting the kid.

[FreestyleIntru…]

Incidentally, I couldn't help noticing in the news stories that the dead boy's dad is named Tracy. Is that...I mean...how can that be a plausible name? For a man?

[gtrwiz]

Incidentally, I couldn't help noticing in the news stories that the dead boy's dad is named Tracy. Is that...I mean...how can that be a plausible name? For a man?

I actually know a guy named Tracy Martin...

[mattburnside]

Incidentally, I couldn't help noticing in the news stories that the dead boy's dad is named Tracy. Is that...I mean...how can that be a plausible name? For a man?

Both of these gentlemen would like a word with you.

[StringJunky]

Incidentally, I couldn't help noticing in the news stories that the dead boy's dad is named Tracy. Is that...I mean...how can that be a plausible name? For a man?

Sit down over there...yes, over there...I want you to think about what you've said...naughty poaster, naughty!!! You must adopt a pet immediately!

[rsadasiv]

Make me feel ashamed to live in a land
Where justice is a game.

-Bob Dylan, Hurricane

[2manband]

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rsadasiv wrote:

Make me feel ashamed to live in a land
Where justice is a game.

-Bob Dylan, Hurricane

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[rsadasiv]

One year after 17-year-old Trayvon Martin was shot and killed by an armed neighborhood watchman, setting off a national debate about race and gun laws, the campaign to change state self-defense laws in Martin's name has petered out.

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A Tampa Bay Times analysis of 200 "stand your ground" cases in Florida—the law was adopted there in 2005—found that the law has been inconsistently applied, with one man escaping homicide prosecution even though he left an altercation to get his gun from his car, returned, and then shot the attacker.

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Last Friday, the Florida task force released its final recommendations on the law, concluding that it works and should not be repealed.

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In addition, none of the bills to repeal or change "stand your ground" in other states passed.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/stand-ground-laws-survive-debate-one-trayvon-martin-120048105.ht...

[2manband]

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rsadasiv wrote:

One year after 17-year-old Trayvon Martin was shot and killed by an armed neighborhood watchman, setting off a national debate about race and gun laws, the campaign to change state self-defense laws in Martin's name has petered out.

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A Tampa Bay Times analysis of 200 "stand your ground" cases in Florida—the law was adopted there in 2005—found that the law has been inconsistently applied, with one man escaping homicide prosecution even though he left an altercation to get his gun from his car, returned, and then shot the attacker.

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Last Friday, the Florida task force released its final recommendations on the law, concluding that it works and should not be repealed.

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In addition, none of the bills to repeal or change "stand your ground" in other states passed.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/stand-ground-laws-survive-debate-one-trayvon-martin-120048105.ht...

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I think there's a lot of room for common sense somewhere between "It's OK to go get your gun and come back to shoot the guy" and "If somebody's bashing your skull into the curb, you just have to go ahead and let them."

Doesn't appear that the Martin/Zimmerman altercation is a clear-cut case of either extreme, but somewhere in the middle.  I'm willing to wait and see how the particulars all play out through the legal system instead of jumping to conclusions based on anything about hoodies or skittles. 

[rsadasiv]

Getting away with murder - definitely part of the Bill Of Rights.

[Good Clean Fun]

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rsadasiv wrote:

One year after 17-year-old Trayvon Martin was shot and killed by an armed neighborhood watchman, setting off a national debate about race and gun laws, the campaign to change state self-defense laws in Martin's name has petered out.

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A Tampa Bay Times analysis of 200 "stand your ground" cases in Florida—the law was adopted there in 2005—found that the law has been inconsistently applied, with one man escaping homicide prosecution even though he left an altercation to get his gun from his car, returned, and then shot the attacker.

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Last Friday, the Florida task force released its final recommendations on the law, concluding that it works and should not be repealed.

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In addition, none of the bills to repeal or change "stand your ground" in other states passed.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/stand-ground-laws-survive-debate-one-trayvon-martin-120048105.ht...

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I've spent enough time trying to suss out and condense various (sometimes conflicting) positions re: use of force when it comes to law enforcement officers that I suspect that extending these debates to the "civilian" public is exceedingly problematic.  Not surprizing that this is a mess when it gets to the courts.

[2manband]

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rsadasiv wrote:

Getting away with murder - definitely part of the Bill Of Rights.

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Don't be a drama queen.  That's not at all the issue here. 

Depending upon what actually happened, which is still highly contested, this could be a case of self defense (I shot him so that he would stop bashing my head into the curb) which seems pretty OK to me, or it could be a case of some nut stalking and shooting a kid because he didn't like the way he looked, which is definately not OK.

As with most things, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle, and the injustice that occured depends entirely on where in that continuum the truth actually falls. 

[rsadasiv]

Your blithe moral relativisim and willlingness to take a stand are beacons of hope in this dark time.

[pink freud]

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rsadasiv wrote:

Getting away with murder - definitely part of the Bill Of Rights.

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Well yeah, specifically in the 5th Amendment.

[rsadasiv]

6th Amendment.

[pink freud]

I think the 5th applies better for "Getting away with murder" seeing as it protects against double jeopardy and all that fun stuff. The 6th pretty much just guarantees a trial.

[rsadasiv]

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pink freud wrote:
I think the 5th applies better for "Getting away with murder" seeing as it protects against double jeopardy and all that fun stuff. The 6th pretty much just guarantees a trial.

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More than a year - presumptively prejuducial?