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The new GJ; A bastion for fusion lovers.

I posted it before and I'll post it again. It's the greatest pre solo guitar cadenza evar!!! EVAR!!! EEEEVVVVAAAARRRRR!!!!!! EEEEEEEEEEEEEVVVVVVVVVVVAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!

Lia Phair fans can listen for the snare.

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rsadasiv
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Re: The new GJ; A bastion for fusion lovers.

Pat Metheny always reminds me of this Talking Heads song:

"You're talking a lot, but you're not saying anything"

 

also, I fucking hate that clean jazz chorus tone. I'll go back to my Liz Phair albums now. :smileysurprised:

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My wife was watching The Falcon and the Snowman (original music by Pat Metheny) last night and I was in the other room.  I didn't know what she was watching so I was all like, "Hon, are you watching a documentary about dentists' offices in there?" 

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Re: The new GJ; A bastion for fusion lovers.

pre-emptively added to the DO NOT WANT pile:

 

John McLaughlin

unfunky John Scofield

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Yeah, why listen to good fusion when there's so many contrarian young musicians out there barely playing their instruments but really meaning it? 

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Re: The new GJ; A bastion for fusion lovers.

3 simple steps to better guitar music:

 

1) Play fewer notes.

2) Play more melodically.

3) Place your notes inside the arrangement.

 

and if all three is too much to handle, 1) will get you a lot of the way there.

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Re: The new GJ; A bastion for fusion lovers.

Real Fusion not fusion lite

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Re: The new GJ; A bastion for fusion lovers.

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Metheny has never really been a fusion player, He's one of the best modern jazz players (a contemporary extreme Major->Minor and Minor->Major Master) and most of the time plays in common time signatures, or straight time signatures with a turnaround time signature, etc...don't get me wrong, he's one of my favorite players, writers, and musicians...and I've seen him maybe 3-4 times before he was 25...and my all time favorite live modern jazz solo's is Q&A from the Trio album...but...there is no 'fusion' here, especially once you understand how simple the bulk of his tunes are.


cxblahnumberblahnumber has it right with Dance of the Maya...and he might not even know why.


I can't tell you how many times I've turned musicians onto TMO or Mclaughlin in general with Dance Of The Maya...you know how I do it...we listen to the tune, I tell them it;s in 10/4 but it's counted in subdivision of 3 3's and a 1. I count it as we go 123, 123, 123, 1, 123, 123, 123, 1...etc...then you hear Goodman blanket the fuck out of 123, 123, 123, 1, 123, 123, 123, 1...etc...then the half time blues section with 1 2, 1 2, 1 2, 1,,,1 2. 1 2, 1 2, 1...1 2. 1 2, 1 2, 1...then Cobham starts digging deeper and deeper in the groove with John holds a single low tone...then I say...."dig this, now John solo's, he's the one who wrote the tune...and knows exactly how to tear it apart!" This is where 'confusion' leads to 'fusion'. DOTM is one of the best examples out their for people to eith understand fusion, or not.


There is absolutely NO Minor->Major or Major->Minor style comtemporary Jazz in this tune (or TIMF album),


This is probably the first real fusion tune...sure Coryell, Rypel, and Miles Davis had things going, but they didn't leave any blisters. Dance of the Maya is the eshelon tune from the eshelon of Fusion albums.

In comparision...you should change your subject title from 'fusion' to 'modern jazz' or 'center tone jazz" and "fusion" doesn't apply.


If you need help playing this, I'll give you the chords, playing over it is going to cost you...I do teach on Skype...here's the tune...

Dance of the Maya...

This was the very first Mclaughlin tune I tried figuring out, mainly due the the lack of hyper-speed in learning their other tunes. Over the last 25 years it has become my favorite.

This is the head. I've see it tabbed many complicated ways, and wrong, but the way I learned is the way he played it (after watching videos, etc...).

[code]
Section A:

E-------------------------------------------------------------
B-------------------------------------------------------------
G--------7-------7-----------6--------5--------4-----------2--
D-----6-------5-----------5--------3--------3-----------0-----
A-------------------------------------------------------------
E--0--------4-------4--5--------2--------3--------3--1--------



Section B:

E----------------------------------------------------------------------
B----------------------------------------------------------------------
G--------7-------7-----------6--------4--------4-----------7--------6--
D-----6-------5-----------5--------2--------3-----------5--------5-----
A----------------------------------------------------------------------
E--0--------4-------4--5--------1--------3--------3--4--------5--------


E----------------------------------------------------------
B----------------------------------------------------------
G--------12-------------11--------10--------9-----------7--
D-----10------------10---------8---------8-----------5-----
A----------------------------------------------------------
E--9---------9--10----------7---------8--------8--6--------


Section C:

E----------------------------------------------------------------------
B----------------------------------------------------------------------
G--------7-------7-----------6--------5--------4-----------7--------6--
D-----6--------5----------5--------3--------3-----------5--------5-----
A----------------------------------------------------------------------
E--0--------4-------4--5--------2--------3--------3--4--------5--------

E----------------------------------------------------------
B----------------------------------------------------------
G--------9-----------8--------11--------10-------------13--
D-----7-----------7--------9---------9-------------11------
A----------------------------------------------------------
E--6--------6--7--------8---------9---------9--10----------

Section D:

---12---11----10----9----8----
------------------------------
---12---11----10----9----8----
---11---9-----9-----7----7----
------------------------------
---11---8-----9-----6----7----

Easier Section D (that falls in line similar to the other sections):

E------------------------
B------------------------
G--12---11---10---9---8--
D--11---10---9----8---7--
A------------------------
E--11---10---9----8---7--


Easier Section D:

E--12---11---10---9---8--
B------------------------
G--12---11---10---9---8--
D--11---10---9----8---7--
A------------------------
E--11---10---9----8---7--

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rsadasiv wrote:

3 simple steps to better guitar music:

 

1) Play fewer notes.

2) Play more melodically.

3) Place your notes inside the arrangement.

 

and if all three is too much to handle, 1) will get you a lot of the way there.


Holy kamolie. In this song?  You think he's playing too many notes? And, abusurdities of all absurdities, he's not playing melodically? And lying large withing the scope of critical regression, he's not playing "INSIDE" the arragnement?

 

My gawt son...please explain yourself.

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gennation wrote:

Metheny has never really been a fusion player, He's one of the best modern jazz players

In comparision...you should change your subject title from 'fusion' to 'modern jazz' or 'center tone jazz" and "fusion" doesn't apply.

 

He uses elements of fusion in his stuff. The 'heavy metal trumpet' thing he does in the out solo is a fusion influence, but I agree, this is not a fusion tune, per se.....but it uses fusion elements. I think anytime guitar synthesis, or synthesis in general is used, that's a fusion influence. Compositionally, the 'rock' in his fusion is Beatles, not Hendrix.

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My work here is done. :smileywink:
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genn stated:

cxblahnumberblahnumber has it right with Dance of the Maya...and he might not even know why.

 



you sure have a way with words, your majesty. 

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More Mahavishnu. Billy Cobham kills.

I saw them at URI around 72. I think this might be the same concert. 

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cx04332 wrote:

 

More Mahavishnu. Billy Cobham kills.

I saw them at URI around 72. I think this might be the same concert. 


Kingston?

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fusion describes a whole handful of music genres. You guys are mostly talking about jazz/rock fusion. One of the earliest jazz fusions was bossa nova (jazz and samba). After groups like Spyra Gyra what was ambiguously referred to as fusion was more jazz/funk rather than jazz/rock.

The term fusion is like mulatto, is doesn't just mean one thing. It simply means a mix (of anything).

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rsadasiv wrote:



Kingston?


Yes, I had to look at the map. I thought URI was in Providence. :manembarrassed:

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rickenvox wrote:
fusion describes a whole handful of music genres. You guys are mostly talking about jazz/rock fusion. One of the earliest jazz fusions was bossa nova (jazz and samba). After groups like Spyra Gyra what was ambiguously referred to as fusion was more jazz/funk rather than jazz/rock.

The term fusion is like mulatto, is doesn't just mean one thing. It simply means a mix (of anything).

Does that help?

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