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I am absolutely desperate to learn this correctly and all TABs online are wrong. This is the only thing I cannot play by Queensryche, my favorite band.
I don't know if any of the QR fans here will see this or know the answer, but how do you play the clean intro to "Take Hold of the Flame"?
It SOUNDS like arrpeggios over Am, Asus4, Am and then over F and then G E-shaped (5th string root) chords, but on the "Building Empires" live video (at 1:13) it is clear that most of the strings are unfretted, ringing open while he is moving around playing various notes on one ot two or (three) strings among those open strings. This type of stuff with the open strings is exactly the stuff I really have trouble figuring out.
I just can't figure it out!
I wouldn't have posted this OT if I hadn't exhausted all other sources/possibilities.
thanks for putting up with this!
I don't know if any of the QR fans here will see this or know the answer, but how do you play the clean intro to "Take Hold of the Flame"?
It SOUNDS like arrpeggios over Am, Asus4, Am and then over F and then G E-shaped (5th string root) chords, but on the "Building Empires" live video (at 1:13) it is clear that most of the strings are unfretted, ringing open while he is moving around playing various notes on one ot two or (three) strings among those open strings. This type of stuff with the open strings is exactly the stuff I really have trouble figuring out.
I just can't figure it out!
I wouldn't have posted this OT if I hadn't exhausted all other sources/possibilities.
thanks for putting up with this!
This is just off the cuff as I don't have the video (but looking forward to seeing them tomorrow night) but is he/they using different guitars than the rest of the show? Could these have a different tuning that would be more conducive to using open strings? Just a thought....you may hear the right notes but the fingerings look all wrong because they're using a different tuning.
Originally Posted by hammergjh
Sounds pretty close. Good advice on the tone.
Originally posted by aliensporebomb
http://pod.ath.cx/qr.mp3
You'll hear me describe what I think I'm
hearing and a rough approximation of the
progression (based on listening to the tune
for the first time basically).
There are spots in the tune where a second
guitar at one point plays a harmonic, then it
plays a descending bass line on the low E
string as the other guitar is playing the main
chordal part.
If you have a bass player, second guitarist or
keyboardist they can help play those other parts
to get it more authentic to the original recording.
-wp
Originally posted by aliensporebomb
There's definetely action on the low E string
while the descending chords from the previous
phrase are the same.
So I wonder if one of them is playing the open
strings and the other guitarist is playing the
bass notes on the low E.
You'd need hands like Allan Holdsworth's to
play it on a single guitar with one person.
Wow! Thanks for making that recording for me- that was really nice of you to go to all that effort!
I've been looking at the video again with guitar in hand... and I've figured out why it is so confusing!
They are only showing Chris playing, but what you hear mostly is what Michael is playing- the Am, A4, Am, F, G thing!
That is why I couldn't put together what Chris was doing with what you hear.
What was really throwing me is the part at 0:04 and at :22 (etc.) right when Geoff says, "find" (we see the line of those who _find the world has passed them by)- because Chiris is running his finger up to the 4th and 5th fret on the treble strings and I just couldn't figure out how you could be fretting way up there and be sounding the chords/notes that MICHAEL is actually playing!
For some reason I couldn't figure it out until after I posted this thread!
Actually, Aliensporebomb, I think something you said in your lesson got me thinking in the right direction so that I could realize that what Chris is doing. At :04 and :22 listen for the second guitar- he is doing voiceleading on the G string ... he goes from the 2nd fret up to the 4th and then 5th and right back down. Decorating on top of the chords Michael is playing.
I didn't really notice those notes happening among Michael's chords, partially because I am always playing guitar when I'm listening- and those notes are kind of subtle.
And Chris is the one sliding around on the 5th and 6th strings also.
Thanks again! I REALLY Appreciate your help!!!
Now I need to listen to your lesson again to figure out how to play this on one guitar!
Originally posted by micwalt
Great fucking song!
Yeah! It doesn't get any better than Chris Degarmo! (Although Michael Wilton, Alex Lifeson, David Gilmour and Neal Schon are just as good- or close!
) I finally get to see Chris live!!!!
At this show! http://www.965krock.com/
One of my friend's friends accidentally bought me a ticket even though I bought one too- so I have one extra if you want to fly out (as long as she hasn't gotten rid of it yet)- we just bouhgt them this morning.
Originally posted by Rustie81
You can play everything else from Queensrÿche? :eek: :eek: :eek:
They are my favorite band and I have been playing guitar since the summer of '97- so I've had lots of time to practice!
I've been able to play Empire and Promised Land for years- except for those really fast notes in the last 5 seconds of the Jet City Woman Solo... but I'm working on it now that I am able to have lower action after getting new frets! I'm almost there.
The most satisfying is totally nailing Michael's tone in "Della Brown". That last solo..... damn! With the panning delays turning into feedback. That has always been my "dream tone". Although the reality is that you can probably get it pretty easily with any Marshall-like tube amp and an overdrive and delay pedal.
I would have never worked so hard to learn the hard QR solos except that I had some serious motivation when I started being obsessed with learing it... 3 or 4 years ago or so (?) QR was looking for a guitarist to replace Kelly Gray and the girl who runs the fan club told me that if I made a tape of my playing she could get it to the band.
I knew full well that even if I nailed everything they wouldn't hire some kid with no live experience (I'm not delusional!), but it was a fun goal to have- learning all the songs, I mean- not thinking I'd be in the band... remember, I said I'm not delusional!
!I'm sure there are a couple things on Operation Mindcrime that I haven't taken the time to nail yet... mostly the clean parts with the open strings ringing (sound familiar?!
) I think Michael does a solo that I haven't figured out yet too."Warning" is fast, but the notes in the solos seem to be right where I'm expecting them to be. It is probably that they were relatively young and musically imature players at the time so they were just going nuts with scales... since I am a musically imature player of only 7 years- maybe I am on the same wavelength.
I'm not positive that I can play the NM156 solo. I'll have to check.
"Rage for Order"- a lot of "Walk In the Shadows" I figured out while sitting in my car riding on the ferry between Bremerton and Seattle numerous times with my guitar and battery amp to pass the time.
I want to learn prophecy this weekend because I can sing it and I'd like to make a clip of the whole song (minus drums).
I usually check just the Amp forum for intereseting messages- and I know there are probably hundreds of guys over there that are ten times the player I am (at least). Some of the clips over there are insane! I can't compete with any of those guys! I'm just obsessed with learning QR songs!
I have to go to bed. Consider this a bump so that this morning you guys see that I appreciate all your suggestions and help- especially aliensporebomb!!!
Originally posted by Rustie81
That is impressive dedication.
I've never liked to learn solos note for note. I've learned some but even then I like to add my own licks to it. But good for you. You've probably developed as a musician learning all that stuff. I'm a big fan of Queensrÿche but I still can't play anything from them.
Me too. That is exactly how I learned to play- making my own stuff up over existing songs. I almost never have had the patience to learn solos note for note- because what is the point, but after several years of making my own stuff up over top of QR albums you eventually get it right after a few years or so.
Since I've learned by making my own stuff up, when I think about it.... like you, I also don't really think that learning solos note for note would be the best way to learn. Because then all you can do is play what someone else already did- and what good is that when you want to play what you feel?!
Learning those solos was WORK for me, because doing that is not really what I'm into... but you can only listen to the "Jet City Woman" or "Lady Wore Black" or "Take Hold of the Flame" or "Another Rainy Night" (or whatever) solos so many times before you just HAVE to figure it out!
Of course it can take two years to get there, unless you just sit down and force yourself to get it right without giving up until you succeed... but that is NOT my idea of a good time!
Nope, it takes several months!goodnight!
I saw them at The House of Blues Chicago last Saturday.
They are an amazing band...The only thing I didn't like was there second set (Operation Mind Crime) Too theatrical, not my cup of tea... "they are to good a band for that shit"
One thing I did notice was that there guitar tone was very "Judas Priest sounding"...I wonder if there is some influence.
They are an amazing band...The only thing I didn't like was there second set (Operation Mind Crime) Too theatrical, not my cup of tea... "they are to good a band for that shit"
One thing I did notice was that there guitar tone was very "Judas Priest sounding"...I wonder if there is some influence.
Originally posted by theManfromAlabam
I saw them at The House of Blues Chicago last Saturday.
They are an amazing band...The only thing I didn't like was there second set (Operation Mind Crime) Too theatrical, not my cup of tea... "they are to good a band for that shit"
One thing I did notice was that there guitar tone was very "Judas Priest sounding"...I wonder if there is some influence.
I'm going to see them tonight!! I can't wait!! Mindcrime with theatrics sounds AWESOME!
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