Electric Guitars

[GreatDane]

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peskypesky wrote:

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So, you can enjoy expensive and inexpensive gear, but I can't? Or I can, but I just shouldn't praise the inexpensive stuff? I'm confused.

If you don't want me to praise inexpensive gear any more, I'll try not to. I'll only talk about it derisively.

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you're not confused.  you're just "playing dumb".

praise (or not) whatever you want.  get super-excited about anything guitar-related.  that's what makes this place great - people who really enjoy guitars and engage others to share in their excitement.  just try not to act like a snob about it in the process.

[Marko]

I’m not sure if people go through guitars because the quality wasn’t up to par so much as their taste or needs changed. 

In my case, with guitars I found that I only want to rhythm (I like to play/sing) and need a 1-3/4 nut so my fat fingers can chord cleanly, and went from four-string to strictly five-string basses. 

I’m truly glad I didn’t spend bigger money on the previous instrument before I figured that out. 

Budget/adequate-quality pieces can be the wiser route in many cases so as to lose less money when this happens. 

I gotta say, the cheap instruments today are becoming such incredible values (I’ve been surprised by two recent purchases I took a chance on), the case for spending more becomes less and less legitimate, imo. 

I may actually be turning into an anti-expensive-guitar snob, haha.

[jtr654]

I just don't like it when we as a Whole settle for something close and still lust for what we really want. Say you want a Gibson 335 and you settle for a Hamer Echo tone than eventually buy a 335 why settle get what you really want 1st place and quit buy all these other guitars that aren't what you really want. That said I was lucky enough to buy most of my Guitars for a decent price and waited for the right deal. It's the player not the instrument that makes music price of the instrument is not important.

[Chumer]

For the last 10 years or so I have found that the less expensive guitars play and sound very good indeed, and the more expensive guitars have nicer woods and fancier inlays and prettier finishes and iconic names, but do not necessary play or sound any better.

As to guitar amps, it's amazing what you get for around $500 these days what with modeling and the like.

The best place to put your money, is not in the more expensive guitars and amps, but in higher-quality PA gear, because that's going to make the difference in how you sound live.  It always cracks me up when I see guys with very expensive gear running a crappy PA.

The other best place to put your money is again not in more expensive guitars and amps, but in getting a formal musical education.  It always cracks me up when I see guys with very expensive gear yet do not even know the difference between the mixolydian mode and the dorian mode and couldn't entertain a crowd if their life depended on it.

[billybilly]

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Chumer wrote:

The other best place to put your money is again not in more expensive guitars and amps, but in getting a formal musical education.  It always cracks me up when I see guys with very expensive gear yet do not even know the difference between the mixolydian mode and the dorian mode and couldn't entertain a crowd if their life depended on it.

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Do you really judge musicianship by someones ability to differentiate two modes?  The first two people I can think of that wouldn't know that would be the late Jimi Hendrix and Tommy Emmanuel.  The two very best players I know personally, can't read music and wouldn't know those modes either.  They've just worked hard and practiced a lot.

Back to the point of the original post, it's more about the culture here on this forum, an obsession with cheaper gear that's just as good as more expensive gear.  Some is, but for the most part, if you spend just a little more, you get better gear.  It doesn't make you a better player or anything, just an observation on the mentality here.

[sammyreynolds01]

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The other best place to put your money is again not in more expensive guitars and amps, but in getting a formal musical education.  It always cracks me up when I see guys with very expensive gear yet do not even know the difference between the mixolydian mode and the dorian mode and couldn't entertain a crowd if their life depended on it.

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90% of all famous guitar players couldn't tell you the difference between a Mixolydian or Dorian mode you idiot.

[sammyreynolds01]

Simply put, it's my damn money and I'll buy whatever I choose to buy.

[billybilly]

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sammyreynolds01 wrote:

Simply put, it's my damn money and I'll buy whatever I choose to buy.

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Sure, at the end of the day, people will do what they want and so they should.  There just seems to be a culture of cheapskates here.  As a result, the quality of lesser expensive gear on this forum is quite often overrated.  Not that you can't get some great gear cheap, just an observation on a whole.

[sammyreynolds01]

It depends on what you consider overrated. I never got on the Agile or Guitar Fetish bandwagon because I was skeptical just like I never bought into the Music Yo guitars either. I have a $399 Epiphone Les Paul. Honestly that guitar is better than the Gibson I played at mom and pop two weeks ago. The Gibson's guitar was just garbage with fret ends almost shredding my fingers. Of course Gibson's QC is crap.

Now is a Squier going to beat something like Suhr some other boutique builder? No. But will say a SquierCV can beat some of their big brother's guitars that's for sure. It just depends on the individual guitar. Some times you get a great guitar no matter what the price is and sometimes you get utter crap.

[peskypesky]

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sammyreynolds01 wrote:

It depends on what you consider overrated. I never got on the Agile or Guitar Fetish bandwagon because I was skeptical just like I never bought into the Music Yo guitars either. I have a $399 Epiphone Les Paul. Honestly that guitar is better than the Gibson I played at mom and pop two weeks ago. The Gibson's guitar was just garbage with fret ends almost shredding my fingers. Of course Gibson's QC is crap.

Now is a Squier going to beat something like Suhr some other boutique builder? No. But will say a SquierCV can beat some of their big brother's guitars that's for sure. It just depends on the individual guitar. Some times you get a great guitar no matter what the price is and sometimes you get utter crap.

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You're missing out on the Agiles. They are super.

[Chumer]

Blurg.

[mnhhngbfs]

I like guitars that have $65 strings on them. The cost of the guitar doesn't matter, it's the cost of your strings that truly matters. Jimi Hendrix played $20 strings, which if you calculate for inflation, is $167.42 in 2013 bucks. That's why he has that amazing tone, but I don't think I can hear the benefit another $102 makes on strings. My $65 strings sound just fine. I spit on those who pay $5 for a pack of off the shelf strings. For real tone and real playability, you need hand wound strings that cost 10 times that of the bargain strings, and you must wait at least 6 months to recieve your strings or else they are no good. There is no such thing as a good, inexpensive string.

Also: Squiers are better than Suhrs because they have the right headstock. Put $75 strings on a $50 used Squier and you will have amazing tone that no Suhr could achieve with $5-$10 strings.

[mschafft]

Well cheaper seems to enhance tone. That's what the usual “especially at this price point“ phrase means, right?

[thecornman]

I would guess that mentality comes from the fact that most of the people on here are basement hobby players that have many other real importent things in their life to spend there money on like family's and school.  Then there are people like me who feel they can get great sounds out of run of the mill equipment by making sure I realize I am playing the equipment and it is not playing me.  I am also not a material person that really gives a fuck if I have the best toys in the gang.  I let my playing be the deciding factor if someone is impressed.  So far I have not had any problems this way. 

[kayd_mon]

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mnhhngbfs wrote:

I like guitars that have $65 strings on them. The cost of the guitar doesn't matter, it's the cost of your strings that truly matters. Jimi Hendrix played $20 strings, which if you calculate for inflation, is $167.42 in 2013 bucks. That's why he has that amazing tone, but I don't think I can hear the benefit another $102 makes on strings. My $65 strings sound just fine. I spit on those who pay $5 for a pack of off the shelf strings. For real tone and real playability, you need hand wound strings that cost 10 times that of the bargain strings, and you must wait at least 6 months to recieve your strings or else they are no good. There is no such thing as a good, inexpensive string.

Also: Squiers are better than Suhrs because they have the right headstock. Put $75 strings on a $50 used Squier and you will have amazing tone that no Suhr could achieve with $5-$10 strings.

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You, sir, have the funniest post of the day! Lol

[soundcreation]

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thecornman wrote:

I would guess that mentality comes from the fact that most of the people on here are basement hobby players that have many other real importent things in their life to spend there money on like family's and school.  Then there are people like me who feel they can get great sounds out of run of the mill equipment by making sure I realize I am playing the equipment and it is not playing me.  I am also not a material person that really gives a fuck if I have the best toys in the gang.  I let my playing be the deciding factor if someone is impressed.  So far I have not had any problems this way. 

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See...it's this type of post that smacks of cheap snobbery when I read it.   I'm a basement hobby player who simply likes to have nice gear and I'm willing to pay for it. 

And I assure you I get fucking AWESOME sounds out of NOT run of the mill equipment and play the absolute fuck out of my high end gear.

It's this implyed assumption that people with more expensive gear some how don't know how to use it or don't know how to get the most of it like the guys who "really have to WORK their budget gear".  Like it's some how more fucking noble or some nonsense like that.   It's bullshit and is a typical attitude around here. 

[kayd_mon]

I used to hate people with expensive guitars when I was in high school, mostly out of jealousy that I couldn't afford my dream guitar, which was a Gibson Les Paul Classic. I lost that jealously after a while as I matured. I'm not saying that guys who dislike expensive gear are immature, but I'm just relating my experience.

After graduating college and working for a few years, I was able to afford the guitar, and I got it. (dreams do come true!)

[dcooper830]

I love my Epiphones and Squires just as much as my Gibsons and Fenders.

Gear snobs and reverse gear snobs are really annoying.

If you know what you're doing you can get great playability and tone out of almost anything.

[thecornman]

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soundcreation wrote:

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thecornman wrote:

I would guess that mentality comes from the fact that most of the people on here are basement hobby players that have many other real importent things in their life to spend there money on like family's and school.  Then there are people like me who feel they can get great sounds out of run of the mill equipment by making sure I realize I am playing the equipment and it is not playing me.  I am also not a material person that really gives a fuck if I have the best toys in the gang.  I let my playing be the deciding factor if someone is impressed.  So far I have not had any problems this way. 

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See...it's this type of post that smacks of cheap snobbery when I read it.   I'm a basement hobby player who simply likes to have nice gear and I'm willing to pay for it. 

And I assure you I get fucking AWESOME sounds out of NOT run of the mill equipment and play the absolute fuck out of my high end gear.

It's this implyed assumption that people with more expensive gear some how don't know how to use it or don't know how to get the most of it like the guys who "really have to WORK their budget gear".  Like it's some how more fucking noble or some nonsense like that.   It's bullshit and is a typical attitude around here. 

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First of all I never Implyed anything!  I gave an opinion which is what people do on an open forum.  I never said that nobody with expensive equipment can play.  Some can some can't, just like with cheap gear.  I also don't have to work any harder with my gear to get a good sound then I would with more expensive gear.  Buy whatever pleases you and play it!  I could give a fuck less.  I can and do buy run of the mill stuff when I can get a good deal and it sounds and plays great to me.  I have never judged a player by what they play, I only judge them by how skilled they are.  Sorry if it hurts your feelings that I don't somehow think people with better stuff are any better.  

[Goncalo Crespo]

I guess it all comes down to what moves you as a guitar player and music afficionado.

A lot of people are just hooked on gear. And others on sound. Some on both.

I'm not gonna lie, I like owning expensive gear. BUT I like owning good sounding gear even better.

It really just depends on what your motivations are, IMMV