Electric Guitars

[billybilly]

I get that times are tough and I like to get a deal just as much as the next person but it seems to be an obsession here.  Personally, I would rather spend a little more and get something decent, not buy 5 pieces of shit or 5 different cheap pickups just to find the "one".  

Interestingly, this could be fueled by peoples consumer driven focus, feeling the need to be actively shopping and having to be more budget conscious as a result buying too much shit.

Personally, I don't go high end but don't mind some decent quality over quantity.  Okay, rant over.

[gardo]

Really best or cheapest dosen't matter to me . I like what I like.but we have to talk about something

[Dr. Scottie C]

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billybilly wrote:

I get that times are tough and I like to get a deal just as much as the next person but it seems to be an obsession here.  Personally, I would rather spend a little more and get something decent, not buy 5 pieces of shit or 5 different cheap pickups just to find the "one".  

Interestingly, this could be fueled by peoples consumer driven focus, feeling the need to be actively shopping and having to be more budget conscious as a result buying too much shit.

Personally, I don't go high end but don't mind some decent quality over quantity.  Okay, rant over.

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True... I don't get a boner either about saying "I bought a squier for $32.00 and the damn thing played and sounded better than my $492,000 Clapton Brownie I bought at Soothby's"..... however, good gear doesn't mean good sound either.

Shit playing on Shit Gear = Shit Sound

Shit playing on Professional Gear = Shit Sound

[kayd_mon]

Eh, everyone has their own bias.  There's the guys who have all high end gear, and would never be caught owning a Squier.  Then there's the guys who love the budget bin, and scoff at anyone who spends a bunch of money on one guitar (and will not always admit how much the mods on those guitars cost).  Then there's the guys who buy only MIJ everything, or only Heritage / G&L, or whatever they consider to be the superior versions of Strats, Teles, and Les Pauls (which seem to never be from Fender or Gibson from this type).  And you of course have those people, and there are lots of them here, that just like guitars, and have examples all over the price range.  I consider myself one of those guys, as I have a few cheapies that I enjoy (a Squier Bulllet being the lowest in value), and I also have some very nice guitars (MIA Fender 60th Anniversary Commemorative Strat, Gibson Les Paul Classic, and Gibson ES-339 - all pretty nice and not even low end USA!  ok, done patting myself on the back).

[peskypesky]

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kayd_mon wrote:

I have a few cheapies that I enjoy (a Squier Bulllet being the lowest in value), and I also have some very nice guitars (MIA Fender 60th Anniversary Commemorative Strat, Gibson Les Paul Classic, and Gibson ES-339 - all pretty nice and not even low end USA!  ok, done patting myself on the back).

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Wait a second. Is that allowed? I thought you had to choose sides. Either inexpensive gear is crap (as billybilly claims)or its not (as I claim). You can't be on both sides!!  

[GreatDane]

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billybilly wrote:

I get that times are tough and I like to get a deal just as much as the next person but it seems to be an obsession here.  Personally, I would rather spend a little more and get something decent, not buy 5 pieces of shit or 5 different cheap pickups just to find the "one".  

Interestingly, this could be fueled by peoples consumer driven focus, feeling the need to be actively shopping and having to be more budget conscious as a result buying too much shit.

Personally, I don't go high end but don't mind some decent quality over quantity.  Okay, rant over.

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this place is obsessed with price.  some forumites appear unable to think about any other aspect of a piece of gear without first thinking about how much it costs.  it's as if their ability to appreciate a particular musical instrument is limited by how much they have in their bank account.

[Pine Apple Slim]

I can appreciate both. Expensive quality and cheap bang for the buck.
Heck I even like some cheapo thats truly crap.
What I cant abide is expensive crap.

[peskypesky]

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GreatDane wrote:

this place is obsessed with price.  some forumites appear unable to think about any other aspect of a piece of gear without first thinking about how much it costs.  it's as if their ability to appreciate a particular musical instrument is limited by how much they have in their bank account.

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Yep. A lot of people who think you have to spend a lot to get good gear. That was indeed the case when I was growing up. Things have changed since then. But a lot of people are still stuck in the past.

[billybilly]

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peskypesky wrote:

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kayd_mon wrote:

I have a few cheapies that I enjoy (a Squier Bulllet being the lowest in value), and I also have some very nice guitars (MIA Fender 60th Anniversary Commemorative Strat, Gibson Les Paul Classic, and Gibson ES-339 - all pretty nice and not even low end USA!  ok, done patting myself on the back).

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Wait a second. Is that allowed? I thought you had to choose sides. Either inexpensive gear is crap (as billybilly claims)or its not (as I claim). You can't be on both sides!!  

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I did not claim that, I did state its a bit of a crap shoot buying cheap gear.  Some cheap gear is great, but its not worth trudging to the end of the earth to find it when you can wait a bit and find it outside your door.  I.E.: Buying something decent and taking less of a chance by spending a little more.

[peskypesky]

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billybilly wrote:

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peskypesky wrote:

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kayd_mon wrote:

I have a few cheapies that I enjoy (a Squier Bulllet being the lowest in value), and I also have some very nice guitars (MIA Fender 60th Anniversary Commemorative Strat, Gibson Les Paul Classic, and Gibson ES-339 - all pretty nice and not even low end USA!  ok, done patting myself on the back).

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Wait a second. Is that allowed? I thought you had to choose sides. Either inexpensive gear is crap (as billybilly claims)or its not (as I claim). You can't be on both sides!!  

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I did not claim that, I did state its a bit of a crap shoot buying shit gear.  Some cheap gear is great, but its not worth trudging to the end of the earth to find it when you can wait a bit and find it outside your door.  I.E.: Buying something decent and taking less of a chance by spending a little more.

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 In your very first post you wrote:

"Personally, I would rather spend a little more and get something decent, not buy 5 pieces of shit"

[GreatDane]

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peskypesky wrote:

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GreatDane wrote:

this place is obsessed with price.  some forumites appear unable to think about any other aspect of a piece of gear without first thinking about how much it costs.  it's as if their ability to appreciate a particular musical instrument is limited by how much they have in their bank account.

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Yep. A lot of people who think you have to spend a lot to get good gear. That was indeed the case when I was growing up. Things have changed since then. But a lot of people are still stuck in the past.

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you and i are not saying the same thing.  

this forum is not populated with a bunch of "boo-teek" gear snobs who piss on people who rock "cheap gear".  there's actually a strong snobbery from the "cheap seats" around this place.  

but you knew that already.

i just like guitars.

[peskypesky]

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GreatDane wrote:

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peskypesky wrote:

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GreatDane wrote:

this place is obsessed with price.  some forumites appear unable to think about any other aspect of a piece of gear without first thinking about how much it costs.  it's as if their ability to appreciate a particular musical instrument is limited by how much they have in their bank account.

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Yep. A lot of people who think you have to spend a lot to get good gear. That was indeed the case when I was growing up. Things have changed since then. But a lot of people are still stuck in the past.

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you and i are not saying the same thing.  

this forum is not populated with a bunch of "boo-teek" gear snobs who piss on people who rock "cheap gear".  there's actually a strong snobbery from the "cheap seats" around this place.  

but you knew that already.

i just like guitars.

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I have two brothers who buy boutique gear. I've never once heard either of them refer to less expensive gear as "shit". But some around here do that on a regular basis. Maybe that's why those of us who love inexpensive gear are often spreading the good news that good gear can be had at low prices these days.

[billybilly]

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peskypesky wrote:

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billybilly wrote:

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peskypesky wrote:

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kayd_mon wrote:

I have a few cheapies that I enjoy (a Squier Bulllet being the lowest in value), and I also have some very nice guitars (MIA Fender 60th Anniversary Commemorative Strat, Gibson Les Paul Classic, and Gibson ES-339 - all pretty nice and not even low end USA!  ok, done patting myself on the back).

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Wait a second. Is that allowed? I thought you had to choose sides. Either inexpensive gear is crap (as billybilly claims)or its not (as I claim). You can't be on both sides!!  

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I did not claim that, I did state its a bit of a crap shoot buying shit gear.  Some cheap gear is great, but its not worth trudging to the end of the earth to find it when you can wait a bit and find it outside your door.  I.E.: Buying something decent and taking less of a chance by spending a little more.

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 In your very first post you wrote:

"Personally, I would rather spend a little more and get something decent, not buy 5 pieces of shit"

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You're taking my quote out of context, I followed that statement with, "just to find the one" insinuating that it might take buy 5 guitars or whatever to find a good one thereby spending more in the long run anyway.  But hey, people can do what they want with their money.

[billybilly]

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GreatDane wrote:

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...this forum is not populated with a bunch of "boo-teek" gear snobs who piss on people who rock "cheap gear".  there's actually a strong snobbery from the "cheap seats" around this place.  

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The above is probably more to the point that anything I have said so far regarding the OP. 

[peskypesky]

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billybilly wrote:

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peskypesky wrote:

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billybilly wrote:

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peskypesky wrote:

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kayd_mon wrote:

I have a few cheapies that I enjoy (a Squier Bulllet being the lowest in value), and I also have some very nice guitars (MIA Fender 60th Anniversary Commemorative Strat, Gibson Les Paul Classic, and Gibson ES-339 - all pretty nice and not even low end USA!  ok, done patting myself on the back).

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Wait a second. Is that allowed? I thought you had to choose sides. Either inexpensive gear is crap (as billybilly claims)or its not (as I claim). You can't be on both sides!!  

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I did not claim that, I did state its a bit of a crap shoot buying shit gear.  Some cheap gear is great, but its not worth trudging to the end of the earth to find it when you can wait a bit and find it outside your door.  I.E.: Buying something decent and taking less of a chance by spending a little more.

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 In your very first post you wrote:

"Personally, I would rather spend a little more and get something decent, not buy 5 pieces of shit"

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You're taking my quote out of context, I followed that statement with, "just to find the one" insinuating that it might take buy 5 guitars or whatever to find a good one thereby spending more in the long run anyway.  But hey, people can do what they want with their money.

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Sorry if you think I took the quote out of context, but you seem to be throwing the word "shit" around a lot to describe equipment that cost less than yours. Some sort of insecurity perhaps?

[billybilly]

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peskypesky wrote:

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Sorry if you think I took the quote out of context, but you seem to be throwing the word "shit" around a lot to describe equipment that cost less than yours. Some sort of insecurity perhaps?

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I like the word shit, it's great!  Insecure...?  Not at all, to a fault really... If you like your cheap gear, good luck to you.  Personally, I'd rather not be a "cheap elitest" and spend a little more, which for the most part, will get you better gear.  

[GreatDane]

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peskypesky wrote:

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GreatDane wrote:

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peskypesky wrote:

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GreatDane wrote:

this place is obsessed with price.  some forumites appear unable to think about any other aspect of a piece of gear without first thinking about how much it costs.  it's as if their ability to appreciate a particular musical instrument is limited by how much they have in their bank account.

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Yep. A lot of people who think you have to spend a lot to get good gear. That was indeed the case when I was growing up. Things have changed since then. But a lot of people are still stuck in the past.

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you and i are not saying the same thing.  

this forum is not populated with a bunch of "boo-teek" gear snobs who piss on people who rock "cheap gear".  there's actually a strong snobbery from the "cheap seats" around this place.  

but you knew that already.

i just like guitars.

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I have two brothers who buy boutique gear. I've never once heard either of them refer to less expensive gear as "shit". But some around here do that on a regular basis. Maybe that's why those of us who love inexpensive gear are often spreading the good news that good gear can be had at low prices these days.

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you have two brothers who buy boutique gear and you are a strong, vocal proponent for inexpensive gear.  interesting.

who are the boutique owners on this forum who, in your opinion, regularly refer to less expensive gear as shit?  only one is coming to mind, and he hasn't posted in a long time and didn't win anyone over with his self-righteous attitude.

i think it's great when people share their own positive experience about cheap gear or expensive gear or whatever gear.  what i don't appreciate is when they feel their high regard for their gear (at whatever price) has to be followed by snobbery or superiority over another brand, player, buyer, whatever.  

it's pretty lame.

[peskypesky]

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GreatDane wrote:

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peskypesky wrote:

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GreatDane wrote:

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peskypesky wrote:

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GreatDane wrote:

this place is obsessed with price.  some forumites appear unable to think about any other aspect of a piece of gear without first thinking about how much it costs.  it's as if their ability to appreciate a particular musical instrument is limited by how much they have in their bank account.

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Yep. A lot of people who think you have to spend a lot to get good gear. That was indeed the case when I was growing up. Things have changed since then. But a lot of people are still stuck in the past.

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you and i are not saying the same thing.  

this forum is not populated with a bunch of "boo-teek" gear snobs who piss on people who rock "cheap gear".  there's actually a strong snobbery from the "cheap seats" around this place.  

but you knew that already.

i just like guitars.

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I have two brothers who buy boutique gear. I've never once heard either of them refer to less expensive gear as "shit". But some around here do that on a regular basis. Maybe that's why those of us who love inexpensive gear are often spreading the good news that good gear can be had at low prices these days.

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you have two brothers who buy boutique gear and you are a strong, vocal proponent for inexpensive gear.  interesting.

who are the boutique owners on this forum who, in your opinion, regularly refer to less expensive gear as shit?  only one is coming to mind, and he hasn't posted in a long time and didn't win anyone over with his self-righteous attitude.

i think it's great when people share their own positive experience about cheap gear or expensive gear or whatever gear.  what i don't appreciate is when they feel their high regard for their gear (at whatever price) has to be followed by snobbery or superiority over another brand, player, buyer, whatever.  

it's pretty lame.

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Agreed. I'm a lover of pretty much all good gear. From Squier and Epiphone and Agile on up to Fender and Gibson and Gretsch. If a guitar looks good, plays well and sounds good, then I dig it. Whether it cost $40 on Craigslist or $4000 from a boutique.

I recently played a friend's vintage 1964 Gibson ES-330, and man, it was awesome. I also recently played a vintage 1930s National steel guitar and it was out of this world.

But I can also pick up an inexpensive, Chinese-made guitar and have a blast on it.

[GreatDane]

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peskypesky wrote:

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GreatDane wrote:

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peskypesky wrote:

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GreatDane wrote:

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peskypesky wrote:

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GreatDane wrote:

this place is obsessed with price.  some forumites appear unable to think about any other aspect of a piece of gear without first thinking about how much it costs.  it's as if their ability to appreciate a particular musical instrument is limited by how much they have in their bank account.

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Yep. A lot of people who think you have to spend a lot to get good gear. That was indeed the case when I was growing up. Things have changed since then. But a lot of people are still stuck in the past.

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you and i are not saying the same thing.  

this forum is not populated with a bunch of "boo-teek" gear snobs who piss on people who rock "cheap gear".  there's actually a strong snobbery from the "cheap seats" around this place.  

but you knew that already.

i just like guitars.

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I have two brothers who buy boutique gear. I've never once heard either of them refer to less expensive gear as "shit". But some around here do that on a regular basis. Maybe that's why those of us who love inexpensive gear are often spreading the good news that good gear can be had at low prices these days.

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you have two brothers who buy boutique gear and you are a strong, vocal proponent for inexpensive gear.  interesting.

who are the boutique owners on this forum who, in your opinion, regularly refer to less expensive gear as shit?  only one is coming to mind, and he hasn't posted in a long time and didn't win anyone over with his self-righteous attitude.

i think it's great when people share their own positive experience about cheap gear or expensive gear or whatever gear.  what i don't appreciate is when they feel their high regard for their gear (at whatever price) has to be followed by snobbery or superiority over another brand, player, buyer, whatever.  

it's pretty lame.

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Agreed. I'm a lover of pretty much all good gear. From Squier and Epiphone and Agile on up to Fender and Gibson and Gretsch. If a guitar looks good, plays well and sounds good, then I dig it. Whether it cost $40 on Craigslist or $4000 from a boutique.

I recently played a friend's vintage 1964 Gibson ES-330, and man, it was awesome. I also recently played a vintage 1930s National steel guitar and it was out of this world.

But I can also pick up an inexpensive, Chinese-made guitar and have a blast on it.

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sure sounds good what you've written above, but is this really how you think?  

if it really were as simple as you say above (in bold), then why are you as vocal as you are singing the praises of inexpensive gear?

you seem to portray yourself as someone who firmly believes inexpensive is better than expensive.  that belief appears to be in contrast with the quoted comments above.

i noticed you didn't answer my question about who are the forumites you feel frequently refer to inexpensive gear as shit.  it's ok if you won't (or can't) comment, but it would be better to avoid sweeping generalizations if you won't (or can't) qualify further.  it just looks bad.

i love the early 60s ES 330s i've played.  i keep telling myself i'll own one someday.  we'll see.

[peskypesky]

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GreatDane wrote:

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peskypesky wrote:

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GreatDane wrote:

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peskypesky wrote:

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GreatDane wrote:

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peskypesky wrote:

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GreatDane wrote:

this place is obsessed with price.  some forumites appear unable to think about any other aspect of a piece of gear without first thinking about how much it costs.  it's as if their ability to appreciate a particular musical instrument is limited by how much they have in their bank account.

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Yep. A lot of people who think you have to spend a lot to get good gear. That was indeed the case when I was growing up. Things have changed since then. But a lot of people are still stuck in the past.

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you and i are not saying the same thing.  

this forum is not populated with a bunch of "boo-teek" gear snobs who piss on people who rock "cheap gear".  there's actually a strong snobbery from the "cheap seats" around this place.  

but you knew that already.

i just like guitars.

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I have two brothers who buy boutique gear. I've never once heard either of them refer to less expensive gear as "shit". But some around here do that on a regular basis. Maybe that's why those of us who love inexpensive gear are often spreading the good news that good gear can be had at low prices these days.

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you have two brothers who buy boutique gear and you are a strong, vocal proponent for inexpensive gear.  interesting.

who are the boutique owners on this forum who, in your opinion, regularly refer to less expensive gear as shit?  only one is coming to mind, and he hasn't posted in a long time and didn't win anyone over with his self-righteous attitude.

i think it's great when people share their own positive experience about cheap gear or expensive gear or whatever gear.  what i don't appreciate is when they feel their high regard for their gear (at whatever price) has to be followed by snobbery or superiority over another brand, player, buyer, whatever.  

it's pretty lame.

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Agreed. I'm a lover of pretty much all good gear. From Squier and Epiphone and Agile on up to Fender and Gibson and Gretsch. If a guitar looks good, plays well and sounds good, then I dig it. Whether it cost $40 on Craigslist or $4000 from a boutique.

I recently played a friend's vintage 1964 Gibson ES-330, and man, it was awesome. I also recently played a vintage 1930s National steel guitar and it was out of this world.

But I can also pick up an inexpensive, Chinese-made guitar and have a blast on it.

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sure sounds good what you've written above, but is this really how you think?  

if it really were as simple as you say above (in bold), then why are you as vocal as you are singing the praises of inexpensive gear?

you seem to portray yourself as someone who firmly believes inexpensive is better than expensive.  that belief appears to be in contrast with the quoted comments above.

i noticed you didn't answer my question about who are the forumites you feel frequently refer to inexpensive gear as shit.  it's ok if you won't (or can't) comment, but it would be better to avoid sweeping generalizations if you won't (or can't) qualify further.  it just looks bad.

i love the early 60s ES 330s i've played.  i keep telling myself i'll own one someday.  we'll see.

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So, you can enjoy expensive and inexpensive gear, but I can't? Or I can, but I just shouldn't praise the inexpensive stuff? I'm confused.

If you don't want me to praise inexpensive gear any more, I'll try not to. I'll only talk about it derisively.