03-19-2013 10:25 PM - edited 03-19-2013 10:26 PM
So I recently picked up a used Epiphone SG Special yesterday. Gave it a good setup and it plays and sounds great. I'm really liking it. I plan on doing a bit of upgrading/mods to this guitar and the first thing Id'e like to do is the tuners. They are my only complaint with this gutiar. They don't really hold ANY type of tuning well. I was told the ones on now are the stock tuners and here is a pic of them:
I really like the look of the gibson style tuners(not sure if thats what they are acutually called just how I know them) and would like to put some on that look like this:
Any suggestions as to some quality and preferably inexpensive replacements? Any and all help is appreciated.
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03-20-2013 01:17 AM
I don't doubt the tuners aren't great but most of the tuning problems are more than likely coming from the nut. But you the style you're looking for are Kluson tuners. They will help your tuning but you also want to look at the nut as well.
03-20-2013 02:37 AM - edited 03-20-2013 04:49 AM
First, WELCOME to the forum.
Sorry for saying this : these tuners are about the sh**tiest on planet earth. I've had them before and never will again.
Decent tuners cost about the price I paid for that guitar so it just had to go.
I've replaced broken Gibson Kluson style tuners with the following :
- Grover Kluson style tuners
- Tonepros Kluson style tuners
Both work beautifully. And if you have tuning issues with these, you may start working on your nut, bridge lubrification, intonation, etc.
I like the Tonepros better because they come in nice cream colour for the plastic part.
Make sure to measure the diameters of the holes in your headstock and the headstock thickness before shopping around for new tuners (don't buy used).
BTW Congrats on your purchase. Apart from the tuners, this guitar is a no non-sense piece of rock 'n roll history with very decent pickups, a nice neck, and it looks badass. Have fun with it!
03-20-2013 04:53 AM
Just a piece of advice. Don't buy cheap tuners when upgrading. decent tuners will make you play more and better. It will also increase the lifetime of your strings and the value of your instrument. It's worth it. Much more than any other upgrade on an SG Special, which again is a fine piece of equipment except for the tuners.
03-20-2013 11:27 AM - edited 03-20-2013 11:30 AM
Thanks for all the input guys, and no offense taken on my s**ty tuners haha It is a great guitar, plays and sounds amazing. I just took a look at both the Grovers and Tonepros Kluson Tuners. Both seem to be exactly what I'm looking for funtionally and aesthetically. My only concern is weight. I have no clue how much my current tuners weigh and I don't want to put heavier ones on. Are either of these tuners going to give me any neck dive or am I worrying over nothing?
03-20-2013 12:36 PM
Kluson type are all pretty light, you should be fine!
03-20-2013 01:49 PM
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03-20-2013 02:02 PM - edited 03-20-2013 02:11 PM
ALSO... these are probably a better fit for your guitar since you have those offset holes in the existing tuner and not the sideways mounting holes like bigger tuners have:
IMO, these are just as good for much cheaper:
Very smooth and accurate stuff, but heavier.
03-20-2013 02:08 PM
03-20-2013 02:10 PM
Check this out : http://www.toneproskluson.com/models.html
- TPK33 for press-in bushings (fits certain diameters)
- TPKB3 for bolt bushings (which I have put on my Epiphone ES-339 and my Gibson SG Special. The chrome version is slightly cheaper than nickel plated, and they look almost the same).
Drop them a line with your measurements if you're not sure after reading their specs.
You're right in chosing the lightest types of tuners for an Epiphone SG, they are notoriously prone to neck-diving otherwise. Thanks for the kudos!
03-20-2013 02:11 PM
And keep the original tuners in case you want to sell the SG and keep your tonepros somewhere down the line
03-20-2013 02:13 PM
Be careful, some of the Klusons require smaller holes, and some of them are supposed to be installed in bigger holes. If your guitar didn't already come with Kluson style tuners, chances are you should probably get the ones that require Grover-sized holes.
This one is great for a Grover-sized tuner that looks like a Kluson:
I didn't know about this option. Measurements required to make a choice now I guess.
03-20-2013 02:14 PM
03-20-2013 02:15 PM
I would first try to find something which doesn't require enlarging the holes. But if you're DIY capable, why not. A nice job would increase the value and quality of this gueetar.
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