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I've never heard that song before but now the chorus is stuck in my head. I guess that's how you do it.
08-31-2012 04:31 AM
there is no set in stone method for writing. i've got songs that started out as lyrics only, i've got songs that started as a chord progression on guitar, i've got songs that were just a melody in my head... there's no "way" to do it... and like my guitar God Cody Canada says, "writing happens when it happens, doesn't matter where or when, it just happens" spike, for some reason i doubt this is the place you will get solid hit writing advice... that being said, i'd study the shit outta Disney, Nickalodeon, CMT, and the top 40 charts... it's a hard market though. i've got a good friend, the bass player for The Breakpoint Method, who is also on a Parmount country music writing team. according to him, there were literall y thousands of song submitted this year, a good portion on f them great songs... but we'll never hear most of them...
Umm... I've heard some of the stuff you posted before, and while you have potential, I think the best advice I can give is that you should try to finish songs, period. Never mind hits. You need to start with finishing songs first. You need to build experience in writing strong vocal leads (with words!) in the verse-chorus format first before you try to take any bigger steps. So far, what I've heard from you has no vocals, which means that you're doing it in the wrong direction (IMO), if you wanna write hits, you need to build riffs around vocal ideas (whether melody or lyrics), not the other way around. People think it's easy to write pop songs but it's not. A good half step would be to start singing yourself because how can you write pop songs if you don't sing at all?
08-31-2012 04:47 AM
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i agree to a point, but the Disney/Teen Nick/Pop Country crowd is your target audience if you want to sell songs... seriously, look at the artists that come from that pool Miranda Cossgrove, Miley Cyrus, Demi Lavato, Selena Gomez, Ashley Tisdale... hell, Britney and JT were both mousekateers... if you want to be representitive of yourself and heartfelt, pop is not at all the way to do it... gimicky and catchy, that's what you want... and i'm sorry bud, but to compare the above to the likes Motown is just wrong... to compare it to the Beatles or The BeGees would be more accurate... all just my opinion of course... nothing wrong with Pop, if there was, it wouldn't be Pop. it's just not for me... i tend to like obscure stuff that nobody else has ever heard of, even within the popular genres i enjoy...
That's why I think your best bet is to have your own flavor while having a catchy hook. I mean, generic "great songs" are dime a dozen, but "that Gotye song," for instance, it definitely has a unique character about it and does seem to come from the heart. Even that "Call Me Maybe" song has a very universal yet still seems to apply to one person, like you need a certain personality to write that chorus in the first place. And either song would lose something if performed by someone else. The fact he picked those songs makes me think that his goal is not to sell out at all costs, but to represent himself in a way that achieves success and maintains at least some artistic integrity. Disney and Nickelodeon songs have nothing worth learning from if that's your goal. If you really need a blueprint, Phil Spector and Motown and Carole King and all those did it a long time ago and in a timeless fashion. The rest is just building practice, I say.
08-31-2012 05:06 AM
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i stand corrected, the example you gave are definately pop of that era... as far as gimicks go, you gave the example of the epitome of gimicks, Lady Ga Ga... have you ever checked out her before Ga Ga stuff when she was just plain ol' Stephanie Germanotta? she was AWSOME, not that she isn't now... but the whole meat dress, weird wig, acting a fool crap is a gimick to sell her stuff. in fact, i read somwhere several months ago that she herself said that she had to find a gimick to get a deal... seriously, look at your most popular artists right now... Lady Ga GA, Eminem, Niki Manaj, Lil Wayne... every one of them are a gimick. that's just Pop, always has been, always will be... and don't get me wrong, there's plenty of Pop i like, but most of it rates right up there with deat metal, scream core, main stream hip hop, and mainstream country for me... i just don't enjoy it... give me some good ol' Lynyrd Skynyrd, Cross Canadian Ragweed, and Haystak... i'm good to go...
Are you saying Jackson 5 or The Supremes weren't pop acts performing songs largely manufactured by hit factories? And weren't most musician elite session players that played on pretty much every record to establish a certain familiar sound for the audience? Motown definitely counts in that discussion. The Beatles and Bee Gees do not belong with Phil Spector and Carole King as they wrote and performed their own material, and I don't mean the Carole King that did Tapestry, but the one that anonymously contributed dozens of hit songs before she was ever a known figure. I just think you have a certain concept of pop music because maybe you just have a bit of a prejudice toward it. For all the Miley Cyruses and Selena Gomezes out there, none of them will survive five years unless they establish a real personality as their own person. Your Lady Gagas will do just fine. There's a difference between those who choose pop music as their form of expression because it's a good representation of how they want to sound, and those who are manufactured for the sake of creating stars. There are PLENTY of people who are being themselves and heartfelt while writing catchy music, because that's just how they write. There's nothing gimicky about that.
08-31-2012 05:40 AM
:lol: so very true...
If I could tell you how to write a hit song, I wouldn't be posting here, I'd be somewhere writing hit songs.
08-31-2012 05:48 AM
08-31-2012 06:49 AM
Sounds like you need a copy of The Manual .
Follow the instructions to the letter and the money will roll right in.
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