02-19-2013 08:17 PM - edited 02-19-2013 08:46 PM
I have not owned a Fender offset and thought I might try one (or two?)
GC has a nice used Classic Player Jaguar. I liked it well enough to consider buying it.
With discounting, MF will sell me a new Squier VM Jaguar and a Jazzmaster plus 2 hard cases for the same money. GC had no Squier VM's and only a P90 Squier Modern Player Jazzmaster to try out so I cannot really compare the Jaguars. The Modern Player had 10's (9's maybe) and the CP had some really heavy strings (at least 12's) so they felt completely different.
Can I assume the CP is 2x the guitar or should I try the Squiers out? Anyone out there played a VM Jaguar? How does it compare with the Fender Classic Player Jaguar?
02-19-2013 08:52 PM - edited 02-19-2013 08:54 PM
Two things set the Jaguar classic player apart from ALL others - 1] the tremolo is mounted closer to the bridge providing more/better string break-angle and 2] better/hotter pickups. If neither of those matter to you then the Squier is one hell of a guitar for $299 NIB.
02-20-2013 03:05 AM
02-20-2013 06:04 AM
I think the vintage squier jazzmaster in blonde with the maple board is just amazing looking. If I were hunting for more guitars, I'd grab one of those!
02-20-2013 07:16 AM
02-20-2013 09:03 PM
Check out the Squires. I used to be very anti-Squire. I bought a used Jagmaster last week, and I'm loving this guitar! Pups sound good, frets are perfect, neck plays nicely, and it's just a nice guitar. I picked it up for less than $100. At that price, it was a no-brainer. The MIM models are really not that much different, IMO.
02-20-2013 10:08 PM
The MIM models are really not that much different, IMO.
I had a squier VM Mustang that was cool, but the neck warped. There ARE some gems, but mostly cheap renditions, in my experience of course.
02-21-2013 06:50 AM
I own a VM JM and a CP Jag. Apples and oranges. Thoughts:
1. CP is a nice, solid, serious instrument. As noted, pups are very nice. However, it has teeny things that bug me given how well executed the guitar is otherwise. I needed to shim the neck a smidgen, frets are a little sharp, and after 'updating the classic Jaguar with some new twists' Fender STILL makes a fairly useless rhythm circuit (what a waste of wiring, FENDER STOP IT ALREADY). Mine is candy apple red and looks bitchin.
That was my take exactly. Nice glassy sounding pickups but the action was a bit high. The bridge had very little downward adjustment left so the neck will need a shim. I fooled around with the rhythm circuit and found some usable neck pickup tones there. I found the 60 cycle hum stronger than in my Strats but very directional. With my back to the amp, no noise, but facing or at an angle to the amp, it buzzes like crazy. This one is also CAR and looked really good so I bought it with the proviso I can return it within 30 days.
I also ordered a VM Jazzmaster from MF since I didn't have time to try and find one locally. I will check it out when it arrives and see what it is about. I can always send it back for around $35 if I find I prefer the Classic Player Jaguar. We'll see what happens.
02-23-2013 08:57 AM
Bumpity - interested to hear your reaction(s).
I'd already posted a long post previously, so I didn't delve into the details of the set ups, but I basically feel that when you buy a Fender, you are at Square 1 and there are several steps of set up to go. Even prior to shimming, I'd had to remove the neck to reset it and adjust the TR .... and I'm still just waiting for the moment the spirit hits me and I order a Mastery bridge for it.
Why Fender doesn't just freaking purchase Mastery and make those stock on all offsets, I'll never know. Imagine how competitive it would be to have a less expensive, higher-production rate version of those bridges in the VMs? Who would NOT be interested in that vs. any other surf/indie type guitar? And the CPs, AVRIs ... all deserve real Mastery bridges. I'm certain FMIC could accomplish that for $50-100/guitar in street price. If Yamaha can put real bridges on their surf guitars, so can FMIC.
Returning to the topic of set ups and Fender offsets, I just think that offsets require focused attention to set up. For that reason, they tend to either frustrate or be avoided by those who cannot or will not set up their guitars. Many, many times I've encountered an offset that someone describes as 'bad' one way or the other, and with some work ... voila! whattayaknow, now it sounds and plays great! Go figure.
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You can extend this line of thinking down the price point trajectory: cheaper guitars will have less quality components, less hours of finish time invested in them, and overall require MORE setting up. And yet, they are likelier to be purchased by those who are less able or willing to make that effort.
Which, really, means opportunity knocks for those who enjoy tinkering, tweaking and refining their axe(s). Some guitars HAVE to be considered 'modding platforms' because otherwise they're barely usable, but some just seem better for it - and in that category I put the VM Squiers.
Last thought (and I post this incessantly, apologies) is that when it comes to the lower cost components in cheap guitars, you really see tremendous inconsistency. Which means if you're able to choose from a large number of instruments, you are far more likely to find one that has some decent parts. My VM JM's neck is terrific - nicer than the neck on some American and Japanese Fenders I have. But the other 3 that were at Mr. Music were frankly crummy. I expect that, but those who look for consistency usually find their patience exhausted.
Let us know how you like them!
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