04-14-2013 02:53 PM
I'm not saying anything new here, obviously. I'm just creating an excuse to post a photo that I processed using HDR toning (high dynamic range). This one is a composite of 3 photos with different exposure values and then processed in Photoshop. It's a very difficult guitar to shoot because of the colors in the body. I'm gonna try a few more later.
04-14-2013 03:35 PM - edited 04-14-2013 03:39 PM
Neal Moser, Sal Gonzales, Mike Shannon, Grover Jackson, John Suhr, Jol Danzig, etc... make guitars that a lot of metal guys have used and are light years ahead of anything ESP is selling.
ESP makes a nice production guitar for a relativly inexpensive price.
It's kind of like I used to think Porsche made the most fun car to drive then I moved up to a Mercedes AMG SL63 and my mind changed.
That being said, this is the best metal guitar I have:
04-14-2013 03:58 PM
04-14-2013 04:05 PM - edited 04-14-2013 04:08 PM
I was just going by what you said - The Japanese Make the Best Metal Guitars.
That statement (IMHO) is false. I think if you were to get a high end Jackson/Charvel, USA Made BC Rich, etc... they're a hell of a lot better then the ESP you posted.
If you're happy with your guitar that's great, and I'm sure it's a nice guitar for the money but if it were the best metal guitar out there I'm sure there would be a lot of high end makers out of business.
That's why I made the car analogy. There are a lot of people out there with cars that can go fast or look cool but when you want to step up and are willing to pay for a handbuilt performance car you realize how awesome something can be - even if it comes at a price. That being said, I still like driving my antique Corvette just like you probably enjoy playing your ESP.
As always, ymmv.
04-14-2013 04:46 PM
that is a REAL quilt top, right? I had one of those gawdi green ec-1000's for about a week. Sounded ok, but those cheap suckers laid photo lam over the top. not impressed, especially for 1k :gag:
04-14-2013 06:44 PM
What makes it a metal guitar? The EMG's?
I've owned 3 guitars that I would consider "metal".
Fender HRR60's Strat - MIJ - 60's styled strat with hot Dimarzio in the bridge and a recessed Floyd.
Kramer Pacer Special - MIA - dual humbucker rock machine with early FR, black on black
Kramer Focus 6000 - MIJ - I believe these were actually made by ESP. Horrible pickups, but I threw EMG's in there. Awesome flush mounted Floyd.
So, I would conclude that the Japanese make very good metal guitars, yes. The best? Not IMO.
04-14-2013 07:05 PM
I want to believe you. But that Hetfield guy gets custom built ESPs for free and still has a Gibson strapped on every time I see him playing.
Interesting photo. It’s a funny one, because I can see the processing at work in the texture on the wall and carpet, but not the gitfiddle.
04-14-2013 07:09 PM - edited 04-14-2013 07:12 PM
If I wanted a really nice metal guitar I would be looking for something like this one I picked up for well under $500.
The American made Kramer guitars that Tom Anderson designed and built are a bargain and they have craftsmanship and materials that would cost you thousands of dollars today.
This is a production guitar and has a gorgeous flamed maple neck, a real Floyd Rose, tons of switching options and is just a killer guitar.
If someone wants a killer metal guitar and is on a low end budget IMHO the smartest thing to do is to look at the undervalued guitars out there from the 80s - Kramer, USA BC Rich, even some of the Ibanez stuff.
If budget isn't an option the folks I mentioned earlier plus a ton more can build you something amazing.
A mid level ESP wouldn't be on that list. I would guess that people like the guy from Metallica (who I think plays Bursts a lot of the time) probably has something that is ghostbuilt specifically for him and not something from the Musician's Friend catalog.
04-14-2013 07:15 PM - edited 04-14-2013 07:23 PM
"It's kind of like I used to think Porsche made the most fun car to drive then I moved up to a Mercedes AMG SL63 and my mind changed". "That's why I made the car analogy. There are a lot of people out there with cars that can go fast or look cool but when you want to step up and are willing to pay for a handbuilt performance car you realize how awesome something can be - even if it comes at a price. That being said, I still like driving my antique Corvette just like you probably enjoy playing your ESP".
I think the above might be the most pompous, show-offy, condescending thing I've ever read on these forums. Wow, insecure much? Sad. ....
04-14-2013 08:12 PM
Mad Tele wrote:
the most fun car I ever drove was my ex girlfriends 80s Honda CR-X
I actually owned two CRXes; an '84 and (the re-designed) '89. They were both big fun. Pocket rockets, they called them. Then Honda replaces them with the Del Sol. The Del Sol?!
04-14-2013 08:24 PM - edited 04-14-2013 08:25 PM
04-15-2013 03:21 AM
I disagree but i understand your sentiment the japanese are probably the best at making shred/metal type on a mass production scale. A mid price ibanez or esp is an outstanding guitar for the money but take a high end ibanez or esp and put it alongside a usa jackson or bc rich and there is very little between them.
04-15-2013 06:30 AM
04-15-2013 06:57 AM
When someone makes such a blanket statement (i.e. The Japanese Make the Best Metal Guitars) it's so ridicules that one can't help but poke fun at them.
Like I said, I'm sure your ESP is a nice guitar for someone on a budget but it isn't even close to being one of the best metal guitars out there - even if you're only considering guitars coming out of Japan.
I used the car analogy not because cars are "complex machines" but because I like cars and recently discovered that what I had been driving wasn't the 'best thing out there' compared to what I'm driving now.
Douchy IMHO would be making a New Car Thread on a guitar forum.
04-15-2013 07:21 AM - edited 04-15-2013 07:27 AM
If we are comparing to cars ,My favorite car to drive is my '48 Chevy early 60's style street rod and my best guitar is my '51 Epiphone Zephyr. My favorite sax in my son's collection is a '48 Conn 10m tenor. There is something I really like about vintage American quality . Things were solid well built and real.
As far as "the best", that is purely subjective. Even the term "metal' is vague. There is classic metal and then there is a modern form of retard rock that some consider metal and everything in between.
There is no best only what works best for me
Okay I finished my rant. just my opinion feel free to disagree
04-15-2013 07:51 AM
04-15-2013 08:16 AM - edited 04-15-2013 08:21 AM
48 Chevy is a cool car. If you're talking 40s cars I would go with a neighbor of mine's 49 Ford - it's stock, not a custom. I bought my Corvette a while back and I love it.
It's not a practical car, but it's really fun to drive in the summer and I get a lot of enjoyment out of it. For a long time I had Porsches for my daily driver but a couple years back I bought my wife a GL-550 to replace her Explorer (the 550 is bigger and I have 3 kids, plus it's really safe) and I got a good deal and was surprised how nice it drove for a SUV. I decided to look at the MB sports cars and really got into the AMG line after doing some research online. The 911 is still a really cool car to drive but the MB does 0-60 in 3.7 seconds (not that I have done that).
Anyway, enough about cars, as that topic seems to offend people.
I agree with you on guitars, I'll take my old guitars over many of the new ones out there. Although if I were a metal player I would def buy a low end ESP as they are the best there is. Imagine what Randy Rhodes or Diamond Darrel Lance would have sounded like with one. Hopefully Uli Jon Roth will lose the Sky guitar and pick one of these up before Musicians Friend doesn't have anymore left. Does Tony Iommi know about these?
Someone mentioned PRS and although I'm not a huge fan of theirs they build awesome guitars. At least I thought so, I now know that a import ESP is "the best metal guitar".
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