07-18-2012 06:58 PM
07-18-2012 07:12 PM
07-18-2012 07:16 PM
Just get the 2x12
07-18-2012 07:32 PM
07-18-2012 08:46 PM
I'd first think about one that had the option to open up the back of the cabinet.
07-18-2012 08:49 PM
Yep. That's what I did. I was perusing GC used yesterday, and they have several Marshall 1936's, which are very nice cabs.
07-18-2012 09:08 PM
07-18-2012 09:30 PM
Yes, that's the way such cabinets are usually constructed, with that removable middle slat on the back, which allows your speaker cabinet to sound like a combo amp's cabinet. I've seen a few people take the whole back off of a 4x12 speaker cabinet for live performance use. The idea, I believe, was to supposedly let the sound of that cabinet bounce around and "envelope the stage" (yoikes).
Im probably gonna get a 3-piece closed back that allows me to take out the middle slat for open backed .
07-18-2012 11:36 PM
Man, do yourself a favor and pick up a Marshall 1936 212 cab. They go used for around 300. Extremely versatile. Extremely loud if you need it to be. Great clean, great dirty. Not too expensive. Tough, not too heavy. I mean, it won't be a perfect sparkly new boutique cabinet, but it will sound great. I just think a 212 is a better investment. It will hold you over until you feel you want a 412, or you could always add a 115 or 210 to it for some tonal spiciness.
How much? The problem is the name brand cabs are really expensive for good ones. Theres a number of online companies that custom make real birch, finger jointed cabs for a lot cheaper. Avatar being a really popular choice. Im probably gonna go that route.
07-19-2012 12:22 AM
07-19-2012 12:43 AM
07-19-2012 02:58 AM
But which speakers did you use? There's no way to say "1x12 is better than 2x10" if you don't know which speakers are involved. I have a 2x10" Celestion Greenback (tubetown cab with removable middle slat on the back) and it's one of my favorite cabs, it sound bigger and deeper than any 1x12 cab I've played (and I have a few, with V30, G12H30, Celestion blue ...).
I have heard zero improvement in tone made from going to two speakers instead of one, and you end up lugging so much more weight, speaker upgrades cost twice as much, and for what? Most venues mic your amp anyway and stage volume is just an easy way to upset the people who like you enough to stand in front of the stage. Go 112, man.
07-19-2012 04:57 AM
07-19-2012 05:26 AM
It's not that simple. You need to take excursion into account when calculating air flow. Airflow measurement is a volume/time ratio. Speakers are cones which are three dimensional, not circles which are two, so the area of a circle formula doesn't apply accurately. Also efficiency will determine which cabinet is moving more air rather than just Personally, of those two, I'd go with 1 x 12 because usually they sound better, but I rehearse with a 4 x 8 and gig with a 4 x 10.
I'd go with Pi R Squared. 3.14159265 x (5x5) x 2 = 157 Sq inches 3.14159265 x (6x6) x 1 = 113 Sq inches so more air being pushed with the 2x10 They'll also be a bit more punchy. The only thing I'm not as sure about is the bass response. Sure, a Fender Bassman uses 4 x 10, but when you listen to a nice 1 x 15 they can also bring in a heck of a nice thunk. But I'd still say 2 x 10
07-19-2012 05:39 AM
07-19-2012 07:47 AM
I have heard zero improvement in tone made from going to two speakers instead of one, and you end up lugging so much more weight, speaker upgrades cost twice as much, and for what? Most venues mic your amp anyway and stage volume is just an easy way to upset the people who like you enough to stand in front of the stage.
Go 112, man.
07-19-2012 08:05 AM
Playing live or just at home? Big gigs or small ones? Have a bad back or have to lug gear around a lot? Those things might also play into what you get. When I got my cab I was looking at home playing only so loud wasn't a big concern for me and I went White Cab 1x12 with a convertible back which works well for me but depending on your application you might have completely different needs
Which would you rather use? What do you think the pros and cons of each are? Im gonna get a cab made for my THD head soon and am torn between these two options. I might end up just getting a 2x12, not sure yet, but If you had to choose between these 2. . Thanks.
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