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Ratae Coritanorum
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Re: NGD: American Standard Strat ... meh

Coops, you know damn well he said you have to go CS to get a proper nitro finish and light body, although in fairness that description fits the Highway 1:smileywink:
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dmc69
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Re: NGD: American Standard Strat ... meh


Ratae Coritanorum wrote:
Coops, you know damn well he said you have to go CS to get a proper nitro finish and light body, although in fairness that description fits the Highway 1:smileywink:

Not gonna lie, my HWY1 strat was one of the better MIA strats I owned. And every time I go to my local Long and McQuade and pick up a MIA standard strat, I quickly put it down and then try some other guitars because my MIJ strats feel and sound just as good, if not, better. Uninspiring is what I'll also use to describe that line. In retrospect, I should have kept on to the HWY1.

I tried a Fender Select the other day, hoping it would justify the price tag and at least give me the impression that it was indeed a step up from Fender's other offerings. I honestly wanted to like it, but I walked out feeling like I could put a partscaster together that felt and sounded better. Too much bling, not enough attention to other details. I'll stick with my MIJ and CV Fender/Squier guitars for now.


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Re: NGD: American Standard Strat ... meh

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strats are funny things

i had a suhr strat that cost me thousands... i got rid of it

i now have an indonesian made yamaha pacifica that cost me around $600.. i like it more than the suhr

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billybilly
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Re: NGD: American Standard Strat ... meh


joeybsyc wrote:
The only difference between a "meh" American Standard and a great one is a good set up. If you can't do it yourself, have it done... But that's all it needs, these are great guitars.

I couldn't disagree with this more.  Having owned about 30 strats, I've only kept two, because they just have that "tone".  They were all set-up well too.  Strats are probably more fickle in terms of sound variation from one another than any other guitar.  No two are the same, at least to me.


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Re: NGD: American Standard Strat ... meh

Well, I still do own 30 of em, and you're right... Every one is different. If they all sounded the same and played the same that would be pretty boring. They can all be set up to play and sound great if you know what you're doing. Strats are infinitely adjustable, and I haven't found one yet that couldn't be set up to play great. Just because they don't all sound and play exactly the same doesn't make them bad, just different. Different is good.
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Re: NGD: American Standard Strat ... meh

Anf by set up, I don't just mean the neck... Pickup adjustments and bridge adjustments make all the difference in the world.
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Re: NGD: American Standard Strat ... meh


dcooper830 wrote:

Really???  You have to go Custom Shop to get a decent Strat?  Really??

 

Further confirming my belief that there's the real world....  and then there's internet forums.  


Agreed!........... Obviously...what a ridiculous statement.

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Re: NGD: American Standard Strat ... meh


joeybsyc wrote:
Well, I still do own 30 of em, and you're right... Every one is different. If they all sounded the same and played the same that would be pretty boring. They can all be set up to play and sound great if you know what you're doing. Strats are infinitely adjustable, and I haven't found one yet that couldn't be set up to play great. Just because they don't all sound and play exactly the same doesn't make them bad, just different. Different is good.

I understand the above point but some lumber is just dead or 2 dimensional if you will.  I'd just rather not have to struggle with a strat like that when I can find a strat that's very alive and 3 dimensional sounding.  But, each to their own, difference is good.


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Re: NGD: American Standard Strat ... meh

 Hard to get excited about black with a white guard. The definition of meh. Congrats anyways, hope the setup improves the experience for you.

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I didn't say "decent" strat. As Ratae pointed out, I said "proper." At the time, 2005, that was absolutely true. There were no "thin skins" and the AVRI'S were heavy and dull sounding. Fender has just recently revamped the AVRI range, and if you pay close attention, they are more vintage than ever. Even they recognized that some players wanted more than just decent.

Those of you who were here in '05 might remember my 3 month odyssey playing pretty much every strat I could find until the jaw dropping experience of stumbling across the CS '56 at Wildwood. Any one of you would have experienced the same revelation as me when you discovered that quality tone woods, great vintage voiced pickups, thin nitro finishes and extreme attention to detail really do make a huge difference in tone.

Recall that I tried 3 sets of pickups, had a bone nut installed (including a pro setup), and replaced all of the pots and caps on my American Series in an attempt to make it sound like a proper strat, rather than a generic strat shaped guitar.
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Re: NGD: American Standard Strat ... meh

Damn! I thought I had a proper strat!

 

 

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Re: NGD: American Standard Strat ... meh

Note: I did say I had yet to do "the mother of all set ups."  It was just so DULL out of the box ... yes, I do my own set ups, and with the exception of classy nut filing, I think I do a more careful job than most "pros" (and I used to work on big time tours, and know what an actually decent guitar tech does).  I still haven't done the set up, because I'm thinking about returning it to Hello Music.  I do agree that one needs to spend time with a guitar to know it well, and that doing so informs set up.

Politely I will say I disagree with most of you who find consistency across model ranges.  I don't.  I have also had hundreds of Fenders pass through my hands, and each and every one - to me - has it's own personality.  I played a '62 once, it had one owner, was just amazing ... and I've beheld Custom Shop monstrosities that made me feel badly for the people who paid so much for them.  And I have a $140 Indonesian Squier Tele that sings like a horny canary.

Guitars just ARE.  It's like saying only girls from rich families are pretty.  Money helps, but it ain't everything.

I had been pretty heartily disappointed with the stock at the local mom and pop, but curiously, not a few days after I bought this Dark Turd (and don't think that I won't name the guitar that if I keep it), what should appear in a FMIC shipment but a terrific US Strat in sexy Jade Pearl metallic, and that thing is NICE.

Then I got an unexpected financial windfall ... He works in mysterious ways ...

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Re: NGD: American Standard Strat ... meh

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I've said it before and I'll say it again EVERY time this comes up...

I've played at least 30 and maybe to 50 mexican fenders and ONLY ONE ever came CLOSE to being as good as the best fender style guitars I've played.  And that was an 800 dollar Baja tele.  All the rest were mediocre.   All of them. 

I'm not saying a truly great MIM fender doesn't exist...I'm sure the stars align on a few now and again....but I don't for a second think it's to the degree implyed overall majority opinion would have you believe on this forum. 

Rather I think that there are a LOT of people out there who have probably never played a truly amazing "full of life" fender style guitar.  Maybe trying out pricey guitars at stores intimidates them, or they'd rather NOT know.....I don't know.   Oh...I think people THINK they've tried a great one...but how can you REALLY know?   One's judgement can only be based on the best they've ever played.  If the best they've ever played happens to be middle of the road....well....their "rating scale" isn't very wide. 

"just give it a great setup and they are every bit as good blah blah blah..".......nonsense...

 

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Re: NGD: American Standard Strat ... meh

Danhedonia, certain guitars take some getting use to and certain guitars grow on you, I have a feeling if you were to play that Strat a little everyday you will start to enjoy it more, maybe even grow fond of it.

 

Good luck....it sure looks pretty.

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As we all should know by now, Fender builds a pile of "average" guitars, lots of dogs and a few truly superior instruments.

After my experiences over the last 40 years, I would never settle for a "meh" guitar. In fact, that Strat would have been on it's way back to the vender the next day. Of course, what you do is your business.

It took me two EJ's to get a great one but we generally get what we demand, so after getting my first lousy exaample, my dealer got a VP at Fender to find me a good one and I'm very very happy with it. Perfect finish, wonderful neck, glorious sound and it didn't even need a set-up. Shazam! Killer guitar! Later I added a Calaham bridge and block. Now it's even better!) 

OTOH, I snagged mint condition MIM, swapped on a used custom neck, loaded some decent pickups, did a full set-up and had a great guitar for about $700. Same with  the Brawley. and I got it on mint condition for less than $200. The build quality and hardware are far above Fender's, the finish is perfect and the neck (After a full setup and fret leveling.) is to die for. Its now awaiting a pu swap but I already love it.

I'd never spend $1000+ on a Fender again. No way. 

 

Heres a photo of my EJ. A $1600+ extravagence but its a fine guitar and I love it..

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w238/kenwhitehawk/GUITAR%20EJ%20STRAT/SEPT152011009.jpg

 

Heres my $150 Brawley. Just as well constructed and finished as the EJ,plus  it has much better hardware and with a set-up, it plays just as well.. Now for new pick-ups!

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w238/kenwhitehawk/GUITAR%20KENS%20%20GUITARS/22ce3eeb-dc7b-4733-8...

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Re: NGD: American Standard Strat ... meh


mistersully wrote:

strats are funny things

i had a suhr strat that cost me thousands... i got rid of it

i now have an indonesian made yamaha pacifica that cost me around $600.. i like it more than the suhr


The day I decided i wanted a strat, I thought it had to be a Fender and I tried a few and bought a couple that I returned (including an american standard). Then I too looked at high end Pacificas and found one that appealed to me more than the strats I had tried (admittedly not that many). Especially the neck and frets (6105) of the 904 is probably the reason that this guitar has become my go-to instrument.
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Re: NGD: American Standard Strat ... meh

Lesson learned, if you are looking for an exceptional guitar you need to search for it. Take a shot in the dark and chances are you will end up with an average guitar.
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Re: NGD: American Standard Strat ... meh

Funny thing is, I learned that lesson long ago - and my REAL issue with returning it is that I feel cowed by Hello Music because I've had to whine / plead / cajole simply to get them to send what I originally ordered.  Yes, $800 is a lot, but I don't want to go to war with them and worry that's what will happen.  And I've begun tweaking it to the point where at least now it has some decent resonant sustain ...

 

... which does nothing about my "problem" in the Jade Pearl finish down at the Mom and Pop.  I can feel it getting pissed at me for not taking it home.

 

Re: "are there such things as terrific MIM Fenders" ... y'know.  Everyone's experience is different.  I agree that batting averages change with regard to which production series and country of origin, but Sound, I just disagree with you.  I have a '94 MIM Tele that is a fine animal.  In case you did not wish to read the thread (which is cool, I skim) I have indeed had the opportunity to play some very nice "full of life" Fenders.  Which, really, is the shot I was taking in the dark - maybe HM will send me one, and if not, hey, I'll return it.  Now, I am fatigued by the back/forth with them.  Bad call on my part.

 

I have a MIM Jag that compares favorably to the last Johnny Marr I played.  I also have played a lot of MIM FSRs, Pawn Shops, and yes, US Standards that leave me just really unimpressed.  The nicest Strat I've ever played was the '62 ... really, just a beautiful, beautiful guitar (it was a burst, maple fretboard ... drool).  And for a while I had a '66 Mustang on semi-permanent loan that was quite nice for being an "entry model."  A '73 Tele Custom ... the EJ Strats sure can be nice, too.

 

Those are good guitars.  So's my MIM 50's RI, my MIM Tele, and my MIM Jag.  And my MIC Squier VM Jazzmaster (and I have played literally dozens of very nice JM's). 

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i'm kind of lucky in that i turned out to be the `mr. average guy' that the modern c neck was made for - i love those fuckers and they fit my hands perfectly.  i have a bunch of american standards now, don't mind swapping pickups and stuff, don't even bother trying to keep them stock - but i love a `modern c' neck on a `original contour body'.  one of the few benefits to being mr. anonymous everybody/nobody :smileywink:...

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Re: NGD: American Standard Strat ... meh


soundcreation wrote:

 

One's judgement can only be based on the best they've ever played.  If the best they've ever played happens to be middle of the road....well....their "rating scale" isn't very wide. 


I absolutely agree with this statement. Couple this with the fact that many folks buy guitars with their eyes and not their ears and fingers, and you start to understand the cheap guitar fetish.

At the same time, there are those who seem to assume that just because a guitar is expensive, then by definition, it's a better guitar. That's not a hard and fast rule either.

I've also had similar experiences as you with regard to MIM Fenders. Although I did buy a Classic Players 60s Strat second hand at a great price that I had intended to be my "leave on the stand beater." But honestly, it holds its own with any of the MIA strats I've owned.

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