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FarToMany
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Re: Can guitar strings go stale?

But we also want to mention that we're seeing a growing rate of FAKE strings in the marketplace.
Man, they will copy just about anything I guess. I never thought I had to worry about fake strings.
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Re: Can guitar strings go stale?

Just a comment further to this thread - our strings are sealed in a baggie that is designed to inhibit corrosion and prevent moisture from reaching the strings. With regard to the OP's comment of stale strings - anything is possible as far as getting a bad string and we will stand behind our product 100%. I sent a PM to the OP to see about replacing the set in question. But we also want to mention that we're seeing a growing rate of FAKE strings in the marketplace. Please be aware that if you purchase strings from online auction sites or other places where you're not 100% sure of it's pedigree (so to speak), you'll want to verify that what you've purchased is actually D'Addario product - you can enter the code from the inside baggie here --> www.daddario.com/playreal - this is inform you as to whether or not the product you've purchase is real. If it turns out that it is not, you will also receive instructions on how you can get the product back to us. We're are doing our best to fight this and obviously, it's not an easy battle but one worth fighting.
Thank you Don, I responded to the PM. It is disheartening to learn that of all things, now guitar strings are being copied too. I did check out the playreal site and the strings I have are real D'Addarios. Nonetheless, I want to ensure it is known that I wasn't at all suggesting that D'Addario is at fault for this or that they have a shoddy product. I've been playing D'Addario strings since the 1980s and have always been happy with them. This is the first time I ever questioned a set, and after reading this thread I'm not entirely convinced that the strings are the problem. We'll see what happens when I put on another new set. If it matters, the price tag that the music store put on has a sequence of "12/2/10" which might be the date they got them. I must also note that I didn't check the little baggy for a perfect seal before ripping it open. Maybe it got a small puncture in it at some point, who knows. It's long gone now, so I can't look at it again. Meanwhile, thanks to everyone (and especially Don) for their input on this thread. I appreciate it. :thu:
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Re: Can guitar strings go stale?

we're seeing a growing rate of FAKE strings in the marketplace.


Fake strings??
Really??
Is it really worth someone investing the time and effort faking an item that normally sells for under £5.00?
Now, Bass strings and strings like Thomastik Jazz Roundwound & Flatwound I can see the possible profit in faking them but not on the standard run of the mill bread and butter strings that most of us use... and just how do they get them into the "food chain" so that we unwittingly buy them?

Do tell more on this subject please, I'm now very interested.

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Re: Can guitar strings go stale?

Fake strings?? Really?? Is it really worth someone investing the time and effort faking an item that normally sells for under £5.00? Now, Bass strings and strings like Thomastik Jazz Roundwound & Flatwound I can see the possible profit in faking them but not on the standard run of the mill bread and butter strings that most of us use... and just how do they get them into the "food chain" so that we unwittingly buy them? Do tell more on this subject please, I'm now very interested. Cheers J_N.
Well, strings do sell more than the guitars or other accessories. It's as much about how much you can sell in a given time period as it is profit per sale. Yeah, they are not making as much per sale but they are selling more and strings are cheaper and easier to produce than instruments. And given the brand equity D'addario has, I'm not surprised someone is trying to make a dishonest buck off them. And to the OP, even if the strings do go stale it does little to the taste.
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Re: Can guitar strings go stale?

But this can only be limited to people you've never heard of selling "bulk strings" on FleaBay dirt cheap, surely there's no way they can get into the music shops and reputable string outlets? Cheers J_N.
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Re: Can guitar strings go stale?

Fake strings, wow! Some people will stoop to any level for a buck. I bet I know what country they originate from too.

As far as strings going stale? Yes they certainly can. They get soggy in milk too.
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Re: Can guitar strings go stale?

But this can only be limited to people you've never heard of selling "bulk strings" on FleaBay dirt cheap, surely there's no way they can get into the music shops and reputable string outlets? Cheers J_N.
The same way counterfeit guitars find their way onto ebay and other internet sites; fake strings are aplenty too. Luckily they're easy to avoid, just make sure to buy your strings through authorized retailers. I get my Elixirs through juststrings.com and they're as real as can be.
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Re: Can guitar strings go stale?

Fake strings, wow! Some people will stoop to any level for a buck. I bet I know what country they originate from too.

As far as strings going stale? Yes they certainly can. They get soggy in milk too.


and you may be right.

However, for many years, factories in many countries including the "developed world" produced more than they needed to fufil orders (overruns) and also batches that were not perfect (hence the market in "seconds" - legal and represented a second-quality product). Now "seconds" are often branded fakes because they come discounted and from other outlets.
These can make their way into conventional outlets down the same supply chain if controls are not good enough.
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Re: Can guitar strings go stale?

I recently put Martin acoustic strings on a guitar...they were leftover from my store which I closed in 1982. They looked a bit tarnished, but sounded new.
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Re: Can guitar strings go stale?

I recently put Martin acoustic strings on a guitar...they were leftover from my store which I closed in 1982. They looked a bit tarnished, but sounded new.
But that was in comparison to the old strings you took off the guitar and not a set of "new" strings.
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Re: Can guitar strings go stale?

True...but isn't that what everyone does when they change strings??? I don't know too many people who change brand new strings just to compare.
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Re: Can guitar strings go stale?

Yes, I just bought some. I ordered a set of Fender standard tension bullets just to try them from Guitar Parts Resource. Well the strings felt kinda rusty and corroded when I put em on and no matter I did, the intonation was way off on the A and D strings. I just replaced them with a set of EBs in a sealed package and they intonate perfectly.
I dont think those Fender Bullets are real popular strings and I ordered them online instead of buying them in an actual shop that moves alot of strings. Also they were not in a sealed package. They probably sat around in a wharehouse for about 8 years or so. :freak: Hell, I dont think Fender even makes their own strings anymore, they're just rebranded D'Addarios now.
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Re: Can guitar strings go stale?

Is it not the case that the majority of strings are now made in the same few plants, since sales volumes per brand do not support individual factories?
Bad batches are more likely than bad brands in that case.


I believe the term manufacture strings is a misunderstanding.
I dont think any of the companies own steel mills just to make strings.
What they do is buy bulk wire by the ton like this - http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/296904508/Stainless_steel_tie_wire.html
From the major steel manufacturers. Those same steel manufacturers make all kinds of steel products as well as Electrical wire, sheet steel, wire rope, etc.

They get a bulk wire order, melt the steel and manufacturer the wire itself based on the formula the customer requires.

From there some of the string manufacturers have machines to put wraps on the core wires for the heavier gauges.
They also put the ball ends on and cut them to size.

It may go another step when a seller like Elixer gets the wire. They apply their own epoxy coating to the bulk wire.
package it and sell it under their own name. They may not have even wrap the strings, just coated them and added their profit cost.
Others like Optima, gold coat the wire. They likely buy the thin wire for the wrapping and do the electro plating and winding themselves.

The ones I know do their own string wrapping are companies like,
Black Diamond, Labella, GHS, DR, D'Addario, D'Angelico, Ernie Ball,
Fender, Gibson, Roto Sound, Dean Markley Thomas Infeld and a few others.
Some of these have been in business a long time and have thir own string winding
machines.

What changes with them, is they buy from different vendors to keep the cost down and
profits up. Some of them have made horrible choices. I'll never buy Fender or Gibson strings
till they strat using better steel. Mixico just doesnt know jack about milling good wire.

Have you ever heard a Mexican or italian film where the guitars werent in good tune (think Spagetti westerns)
I'm just kidding to some extent, but not really. Last time I strung up with Fender strings the wire was so bad,
It did sound like the guitar in the Good, bad & Ugly.

Companies that only offer a few gauges are almost always branded strings.
They buy the strings pre made and stick their own labels on them.
Wham Bam Thank you mam. They have no spinning lathes to wrap the wire
they just make a bulk wire investment and sell whatever wire they can get
someone else to wrap for them.

Newtone, Snarling Dogs, Dunlop, Darco, Smith, John Pierce,
benedeto, Cleartone, Pyramid are likely all branded strings.

What it comes down to is the quality of the bulk wire and the experience of those who make that wire.
Countries like The US, Germany, Sweeden, Japan and a few others have been making steel for a long time.
Much of it involved wartime steel and auto manufacturing. The best steels made the best weapons.

Japan invented steel I believe and had some of the best steel swords centuries before other countries that were still using
brass and iron. Fender strings made in Japan were much better than strings made in Mexico.
Swiss Knives and German Steel is some dam good steel too. Gibson has/had allot of their hardware and bridges made in germany.

So, stale strings are more likely a bad batch of bulk wire or the enviornment/moisture contamination and corrosion then it is shelf life.
Poor quality Ore is poor quality Ore. If the country of manufacture has low grade iron, its going to produce low grade steel.
Proper temperature, the amount of coke added to the steel, Die maintenence, cooling proceedures, quality of the other alloys they add to the steel
all add up to the quality of the steel.

There may be some electrolytic influences that can happen long term too. Moisture, salts, and different metal
types is the basis of a battery. Shipping strings in a container on a ship can expose them to salt air, the difference in metal types
does the rest. They eat themselves up just being exposed to the elements.
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Re: Can guitar strings go stale?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
not reproducing it all.
I was not talking about steel making or stock wire pulling.
Thats like Coke or Pabst having smelting plants to make the al blanks for cans.

I was talking about ends, finishing etc.
Anyway I appreciate your info on who winds their own and the problems of steel sourcing.
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