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Registered: ‎10-02-2008

Re: Bugera BC15 - Anyone tried one?

Steve, seems to me that you are expecting a $100 practice amp, or any small practice amp for that matter, to sound like a Fender Twin. I think most people recognize that if you are paying $100 for an amp, they know it's going to have tonal limitations, but how severe those limitations are what's important.

I didn't care for they guys playing in that clip, but it seems to me that there are for sure some fair practice tones in there for $100.

The Fender Frontman 25r that sells in the same price range sounds really poor, so that is a fair comparison, as is the pathfinder and rage.

As far as "over hyped." That is a bit condescending. What you call over hyped, I call people being satisfied with their new gear and wanting to share info about it with a gear hungry community. It does seem that, for whatever reason, you can't let go of your strong dislike for the brand. And that is fine of course, it will just get noted each time a Bugera thread pops up I guess.



I bought a 15r when they came out...the street price on them was $130-40...



My mistake, must have been thinking MSRP, I do see them listed now for $150.
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Davo17
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Re: Bugera BC15 - Anyone tried one?

I already have a v5 and it's awesome! Thus my interest in the bc15.


I love my V5! The thing is too much fun.
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Utopian thinking, e.g. a delusional belief that there exist simple, linear, side effect-free solutions to all social problems.
Lack of historical knowledge and perspective, and repression of personal memories dissonant with this belief system. e.g., the national mood post 9-11, including that of PPD patients, is suppressed in order to avoid conflict with subsequent reversal of beliefs as the PPD delusions were reinstated - hence the downplaying of terrorism as a threat and the obsessive concern for the "rghts" of temporarily feared and hated terrorists. (Note to clinician: please differentiate between mere historical ignorance, e.g., a doctorate in history from an elite university, vs. neurotic or psychotic delusions necessary to sustain these beliefs. )
Anthroplastic delusion, e.g. The delusion that behavioral conditioning performed by the government or some other collective will cure all behavioral and social problems, rooted in denial of fixed human nature. Implicit in this delusion is the idea that human beings are infinitely malleable and subject to behavioral manipulation leading to perfect control and predictability. Free will, personal conscience, and objective morality are denied, devalued or denigrated.
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Animist delusion: The belief that mankind is evil and nature is benign. The incidence of this symptom is inversely related to practical knowledge and experience of nature. Collective self-hatred is a feature in this area, paradoxically existing side by side with egomaniacal omniscience, e.g., ability to accurately predict climate 100 years into the future. Typical thinking includes the self-hating belief that mankind is a cancer on earth and that the planet (subjectively felt as a "feeling being") will "retaliate." The animist delusion includes considerable cognitive dissonance, since the typical Progressive Personality is a believer in natural selection, which has resulted in untold suffering and cruelty, mitigated only by mankind's presence.
a. For example, the belief that an eagle egg or four-toed salamander is entitled to more legal protection than a human baby.
Environmental spasm: Chaotic, unreasonable, or incoherent episodes of manic activity on behalf of the environment or "mother nature." The delusional nature of this activity is evidenced by misanthropic attacks on works of man, and also by a manic focus on visible or totemic biological objects of little rational value. The patient is typically obsessed only with cute or cuddly creatures, often a displacement of the nurturing urge (often unfulfilled due to abortion).
Control obsession: A tendency to strive for excessive control over others through state intrusion. A contemptuous projection of unconscious envy which is subjectively experienced as "compassion." Through the magic of this unconscious mechanism, PPD patients typically want the state to appropriate your wealth while imagining themselves to be generous and "compassionate." Use of state coercion often substitutes for true acts of generosity; a low rate of charitable giving is often present.
Racist/feminist hypocrisy: Passionate advocacy of government-enforced discrimination based on sex or race, with aggressively proclaimed opposition to policies which are "racist" or "sexist." Obsessive conformity of thought within a racially diverse population. For example, a PPD patient might favor seating a racist on the Supreme Court, so long as the person is of the "correct" race. Often the cognitive dissonance normally associated with such beliefs is rationalized by the delusion that the "oppressed" cannot themselves be racist.
Overemotional perception: Excessive concern with how a social action "looks" or "feels," to the exclusion of actual resulting benefits or harm; in particular, any effects beyond the immediate. Resistance to, and denial of, objective evidence proving the adverse consequences of progressive policy. Superficial cognition about most matters of significant import, as the progressive personality relies on the "feel" of issues rather than truly understanding them. Obsession with "fairness" or "social justice" as opposed to what actually works.
Sexual dysfunction: Significant anxiety about sexual matters, manifested as:
a. Obsession with sexual and gender roles.
b. Passionate celebration of nontraditional sex roles and preferences.
c. The compulsion to define individuals by their "sexual preference" and to design social policy as if all individuals share the obsession.
d. An inordinate interest in preserving inappropriate, lewd, perverse, or antisocial forms of sexual expression.
e. Fascination with immature or deviant expressions of sexuality; reduction of human sexuality to animal sexuality.
f. The projected belief that the contradictory beliefs are a result of fear (e.g. "homophobia".
e. Obsession with contraception and abortion ("reproductive freedom").
Replacement of patriotism with matriotism: Unwillingness to defend country when attacked or threatened, allied with inability to name or recognize evil and General devaluation of the masculine virtues.
Cultural and moral relativism: The fervent belief that all cultures are beautiful except one's own, and that it is immoral to judge another's morality unless they are conservative.
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steve_man
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Registered: ‎07-22-2006

Re: Bugera BC15 - Anyone tried one?

Steve, seems to me that you are expecting a $100 practice amp, or any small practice amp for that matter, to sound like a Fender Twin. I think most people recognize that if you are paying $100 for an amp, they know it's going to have tonal limitations, but how severe those limitations are what's important.

I didn't care for they guys playing in that clip, but it seems to me that there are for sure some fair practice tones in there for $100.

The Fender Frontman 25r that sells in the same price range sounds really poor, so that is a fair comparison, as is the pathfinder and rage.

As far as "over hyped." That is a bit condescending. What you call over hyped, I call people being satisfied with their new gear and wanting to share info about it with a gear hungry community. It does seem that, for whatever reason, you can't let go of your strong dislike for the brand. And that is fine of course, it will just get noted each time a Bugera thread pops up I guess.


I totally agree on the Fender Frontman series...they sound terrible...and I'm a big Fender fan... I was listing amps that were close/similar in price/specs. I'm not intending to be condescending at all...sorry if it comes across that way. I like cheaper priced gear as much as anyone. Most of my gear would probably fall in or near that category. Sure, there are some "practice tones" in there...I'm sure with the right tweaking, you could get a decent tone out of it. Like I said...I was going by the clip... I'm sure they will sell like crazy, but so do a lot of amps that I'm not a fan of...so at the end of the day, it's just my opinion...:idk: That, and $1 will get you a hamburger at mcdonald's...:smileyvery-happy:
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Re: Bugera BC15 - Anyone tried one?

Hi

In a nutshell this is one of the best practice amps I've owned in over 30 years! be it, blues, with vintage 60s beatles, kinks, stones..rock.modern whatever this amp will do it..it has a lovely warm clean sound to start with, & with a sensitive array of sounds on the palette easily tweaked with the simple eq that is accompanied with a midrange shift button, & seperate gain button to crunch this up a bit, I go mostly for the clean sounds with a little reverb or chorus, or rotary or whatever using a a vox stomplab 2g & its awesome it takes pedals really well...this amp uses a 12ax7 preamp tube only..but trust me this amp delivers!

The build quality is excellent! a nice leather handle..with a real nice  vintage design..& seems a real solid little amp, I would recommend this amp to anyone whatever style, for practice, or line it out for a gig, or mic it up, & is ideal for recording, as is really quiet with no humm or hiss, it's perfect, the price is absolutely amazing you can buy them new between £80-£100..this is one of the most impressive purchases for value for money I have ever made!, there is nothing I don't like about it! it's a brilliant little amp! & is definitely a keeper!

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Re: Bugera BC15 - Anyone tried one?

And to think, if someone had told me The Beatles used a Bugera BC15 I never would have believed them..
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Re: Bugera BC15 - Anyone tried one?

Thread Resurrection!

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Re: Bugera BC15 - Anyone tried one?

"a sensitive array of sounds on the palette easily tweaked with the simple eq that is accompanied with a midrange shift button, & seperate gain button to crunch this up a bit"

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Re: Bugera BC15 - Anyone tried one?

i have the same amp, but it's a behringer ac108.

Decent for home practice, but it's certainly not the kinda amp you would take out of the house for any reason.

I got mine for $25 from music123 on a pricematch from amazon and I couldn't pass it up for $25.

I would not pay $100 or more for it though.

 

The 12ax7 does actually have an impact on the sound of the amp. I tried a bunch of 12ax7's in it and even nice NOS 12ax7's sounded a bit tinny and buzzy, so I tried a 12au7 and it was perfect, smoothed out the amp quite a bit and took away alot of the harshness.

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Re: Bugera BC15 - Anyone tried one?

What's with all the old thread resurrection lately? I'm gonna go pull up a favorite thread from years ago just cuz it seems like the hip thing to do...
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Re: Bugera BC15 - Anyone tried one?


bjcarl wrote:
What's with all the old thread resurrection lately? I'm gonna go pull up a favorite thread from years ago just cuz it seems like the hip thing to do...

LOL @ that sig rofl

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