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The Band

big pink or s/t? why?




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Re: The Band

Brown Album.

Big Pink is not as good an album IMHO. In a Station and The Weight are probably the highlights. That being said, I don't think there is a bad track on the brown album and it's got some of my favorite Band tunes - When You Awake, Unfaithful Servant, Rocking Chair, King Harvest, Whispering Pines, etc... every track on that album is great and the actual recording is much better then Big Pink.

I like Stage Fright a lot too. I kind of agree with Greil Marcus about SF being much different then these two, but it's another one that has so many great songs (A La Glory, Danial and the Sacred Harp, Strawberry Wine, WS Walcott Medicine Show, Just Another Whistle Stop, etc...).

I am a fan of everything they did when Robbie was with them. I know Levon cuts him to pieces in his book but IMHO they stopped making great records when he left. Richard Manuel was a great songwriter as well, but once they lost Robbie they became as awesome live group (with Jim Weider and Richard Bell) but just couldn't write good songs.

IMHO - Big Pink is the record that my hipster friends have in their collection, the brown album is the one that is actually in my cd player a lot of the time. YMMV.

I have a really limited Robbie Robertson Strat that they did last year. I have always been a big fan. You can see it in this pic - I'll put up a better one but this is the only one I can find at the moment.



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Brown Album.

Big Pink is not as good an album IMHO. In a Station and The Weight are probably the highlights. That being said, I don't think there is a bad track on the brown album and it's got some of my favorite Band tunes - When You Awake, Unfaithful Servant, Rocking Chair, King Harvest, Whispering Pines, etc... every track on that album is great and the actual recording is much better then Big Pink.

I like Stage Fright a lot too. I kind of agree with Greil Marcus about SF being much different then these two, but it's another one that has so many great songs (A La Glory, Danial and the Sacred Harp, Strawberry Wine, WS Walcott Medicine Show, Just Another Whistle Stop, etc...).

I am a fan of everything they did when Robbie was with them. I know Levon cuts him to pieces in his book but IMHO they stopped making great records when he left. Richard Manuel was a great songwriter as well, but once they lost Robbie they became as awesome live group (with Jim Weider and Richard Bell) but just couldn't write good songs.

IMHO - Big Pink is the record that my hipster friends have in their collection, the brown album is the one that is actually in my cd player a lot of the time. YMMV.

I have a really limited Robbie Robertson Strat that they did last year. I have always been a big fan. You can see it in this pic - I'll put up a better one but this is the only one I can find at the moment.



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I love the first album (Big Pink). Call me a contrarian hipster and I won't deny it. Self-titled is great but I think too many of those songs suffer (to my ears) from overplay on the radio. "Tears of Rage" brings chills down my spine every time. Long Black Veil. Wheel's on Fire. Can't go wrong with that album, IMO. That said, I think my favorite Band album is the live Rock of Ages.
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I love the first album (Big Pink). Call me a contrarian hipster and I won't deny it. Self-titled is great but I think too many of those songs suffer (to my ears) from overplay on the radio. "Tears of Rage" brings chills down my spine every time. Long Black Veil. Wheel's on Fire. Can't go wrong with that album, IMO. That said, I think my favorite Band album is the live Rock of Ages.
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Re: The Band

I've watched the Last Waltz no than less 38 time on LSD 25...

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Re: The Band

I've watched the Last Waltz no than less 38 time on LSD 25...

do you-self this favor, & KNOW...
toaked a searchlight out' lookin' for a moon beam...
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That said, I think my favorite Band album is the live Rock of Ages.
If you're a hipster I have to ask, which version of the Rock of Ages album?
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That said, I think my favorite Band album is the live Rock of Ages.
If you're a hipster I have to ask, which version of the Rock of Ages album?
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Re: The Band

Brown Album.

BG, how is your Robertson strat wired? I love that thing.
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Brown Album.

BG, how is your Robertson strat wired? I love that thing.
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If you're a hipster I have to ask, which version of the Rock of Ages album?
Double LP, duh. (Seriously, only because I bought it years ago, before I owned a CD player.)
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Quote Originally Posted by BG76 View Post
If you're a hipster I have to ask, which version of the Rock of Ages album?
Double LP, duh. (Seriously, only because I bought it years ago, before I owned a CD player.)
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Quote Originally Posted by Agitator View Post
Double LP, duh. (Seriously, only because I bought it years ago, before I owned a CD player.)
You're not as much of a hipster as you claim to be, there are different versions of that album.

The Strat is wired just like Robbie has his. If you watch The Last Waltz (or listen to Stage Fright) you'll notice he has a pretty fat sound on a lot of it. While Robbie was one of the first big vintage guitar collectors he also modified a lot of his stuff.

What he had done was to move the Strat's middle pickup to the bridge area - that's not a humbucker, it's actually two separate single coil pickups. The pickup has to be flipped over and the poles had to be pushed out and flipped around.

When you use the five way switch it pretty much sounds like a 1950s Strat (it has an ash body). You can pull up the bottom tone control and the 5 way actually gives you a few (not 5) sounds with the coils put together to give you more of a Gibson style sound.

He first moved the pickup back because he played a Tele for so long it got in the way then had it wired up like this.

For years people would ask him why his guitars sounded the way they did. He told Seymour Duncan that he had his pickups rewound with more wire and that gave him a bigger sound. He (RR) never did this and said it as a joke but SD took him seriously.

Here is another shot of the fiddle. It's tough to photograph because of the bronze finish. It has a couple other weird features - a neck the size of RR's Broadcaster and the round string tree, etc...






These two actually belong to Robbie and have a special 'Moonburst' finish. I'm not that into it, but he must be:



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Quote Originally Posted by Agitator View Post
Double LP, duh. (Seriously, only because I bought it years ago, before I owned a CD player.)
You're not as much of a hipster as you claim to be, there are different versions of that album.

The Strat is wired just like Robbie has his. If you watch The Last Waltz (or listen to Stage Fright) you'll notice he has a pretty fat sound on a lot of it. While Robbie was one of the first big vintage guitar collectors he also modified a lot of his stuff.

What he had done was to move the Strat's middle pickup to the bridge area - that's not a humbucker, it's actually two separate single coil pickups. The pickup has to be flipped over and the poles had to be pushed out and flipped around.

When you use the five way switch it pretty much sounds like a 1950s Strat (it has an ash body). You can pull up the bottom tone control and the 5 way actually gives you a few (not 5) sounds with the coils put together to give you more of a Gibson style sound.

He first moved the pickup back because he played a Tele for so long it got in the way then had it wired up like this.

For years people would ask him why his guitars sounded the way they did. He told Seymour Duncan that he had his pickups rewound with more wire and that gave him a bigger sound. He (RR) never did this and said it as a joke but SD took him seriously.

Here is another shot of the fiddle. It's tough to photograph because of the bronze finish. It has a couple other weird features - a neck the size of RR's Broadcaster and the round string tree, etc...






These two actually belong to Robbie and have a special 'Moonburst' finish. I'm not that into it, but he must be:



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Quote Originally Posted by BG76 View Post
You're not as much of a hipster as you claim to be, there are different versions of that album.
Truth be told, I'm more of a contrarian than a hipster, but it's just the way my tastes run... I prefer the first Band album, love the first Little Feat album, only listen to REM's first two or three albums, etc. That said, I don't own any hoodies or skinny jeans so I could never be a real hipster.

What are the different versions of Rock of Ages? I assumed the LP version would be the most hipsterish, as all the kids seem to be playing LPs nowadays.
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Quote Originally Posted by BG76 View Post
You're not as much of a hipster as you claim to be, there are different versions of that album.
Truth be told, I'm more of a contrarian than a hipster, but it's just the way my tastes run... I prefer the first Band album, love the first Little Feat album, only listen to REM's first two or three albums, etc. That said, I don't own any hoodies or skinny jeans so I could never be a real hipster.

What are the different versions of Rock of Ages? I assumed the LP version would be the most hipsterish, as all the kids seem to be playing LPs nowadays.
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Quote Originally Posted by BG76 View Post
You're not as much of a hipster as you claim to be, there are different versions of that album.

The Strat is wired just like Robbie has his. If you watch The Last Waltz (or listen to Stage Fright) you'll notice he has a pretty fat sound on a lot of it. While Robbie was one of the first big vintage guitar collectors he also modified a lot of his stuff.

What he had done was to move the Strat's middle pickup to the bridge area - that's not a humbucker, it's actually two separate single coil pickups. The pickup has to be flipped over and the poles had to be pushed out and flipped around.

When you use the five way switch it pretty much sounds like a 1950s Strat (it has an ash body). You can pull up the bottom tone control and the 5 way actually gives you a few (not 5) sounds with the coils put together to give you more of a Gibson style sound.

He first moved the pickup back because he played a Tele for so long it got in the way then had it wired up like this.

For years people would ask him why his guitars sounded the way they did. He told Seymour Duncan that he had his pickups rewound with more wire and that gave him a bigger sound. He (RR) never did this and said it as a joke but SD took him seriously.

Here is another shot of the fiddle. It's tough to photograph because of the bronze finish. It has a couple other weird features - a neck the size of RR's Broadcaster and the round string tree, etc...






These two actually belong to Robbie and have a special 'Moonburst' finish. I'm not that into it, but he must be:



Yeah I knew he moved the middle pickup and had it "tied to the bridge pickup" (his words), i.e. wired in series. I would love to have a series blender pot wired into my strat, but I can't find a schematic for one.
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