03-02-2013 02:24 PM
I have a fender Champ 600 that has great cleans but not so much high gain. I am looking for a small amp that will take pedals well and can do high gain (with fuzz and a triple wreck for help). I play a little bit of everything really. As far a distorted and fuzz tones i am looking for is Smashing Pumpkins and that style. I know these tones are generated from huge amps but is there way to generate these tones at low volumes with small amps?
03-02-2013 03:11 PM
03-02-2013 03:16 PM
Sorry to be a smart-alec, but I couldn't resist - and it's actually appropriate. You'll never get the Pumpkins fuzz sound from any amp - not without the appropriate fuzz pedal involved.
The Champ 600's speaker is pretty small, and will often fart-out (technical term ) if you hit it with a lot of fuzz - especially if that fuzz adds a lot in the low frequency range. Personally, I think a Princeton RI would be a good choice for you. They have a larger 10" speaker and can take the lows better than a Champ 600 can, and while they're more powerful (12-15W vs 5W), they still sound good, even at lower volume levels. Certainly much lower than your Triple Rectifier.
As far as the size of the amps, don't be fooled into thinking that "small amp = small sound when recorded." In fact, some of the most well loved classic rawk tones were tracked with smaller amps that were pushed hard.
03-02-2013 04:02 PM
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03-02-2013 08:06 PM - edited 03-02-2013 08:07 PM
Not a lot of experience but I messed around with one a little and remember being pretty impressed with it. If you hit it with a muff, it might do what you want. It obviously will not have the girth and physical presence of a bigger amp but it might satisfy. Worth checking out.
I think Phil's suggestions are pretty spot on though that you need a fuzz and a Princeton is a solid suggestion too.
03-02-2013 08:55 PM
Other little amps to mess with:
Lil Giant (Blackheart)...mentioned becuz they show up on my CL for not much, and they have a bit of teh Marshull in them.
An old Harmony 10XL (the tube version), pushed thru the right cabinet, can be a real eye opener. You might have to modify the cathode bypass cap a bit, and maybe goose the input stage a touch, but these little amps can be had for pennies, and they record great (like your Champ).
The secret to the small amps will be the cab/speaker you connect them to, and whether you want them to be a neutral sound transducer VS an integral part of the toanz ... I get a LOT a mileage out of using an "oversized" cab (2x10 or 2x12) loaded with some non-too-brilliant speakers (Weber Sig 12's, no dope on the rims) and then obtain all my gain/overdrive from pedals, preamp, output tubes (and forget getting cone-cry/speaker breakup and other edge-effects) due to the overall smallness-of-scale.
Oh yeah....Phil named the SP fuzz thing...that's pedals, all the way...you could go straight to the board with a fuzz or two, plus a Mojohand Rook/Colossus or CB Gallileo or Naga Viper...skip the amp altogether.
03-02-2013 09:34 PM
The most important ingredient, by far, is an IC Big Muff (Not a transistor version). The Made by Mike one is nice as are some of the others out there. The tone is quite different on those. The pumpkins also used marshall jcm800s on the low (clean) input most of the time and Billy set his amp so the master volume was all the way up and the preamp was down very low. So, you don't really need something that's going to break up in the front end very much as long as you've got the appropriate fuzz.
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