04-01-2013 06:26 PM
Sold my Pro Reverb, gonna ship it tomorrow. I don't even have a box that's big enough, so I'll let either FexEd or UPS Store do that (any recommendations either way?).
I'm trying to do some initial packing just to secure the footswitch, casters, power tubes (took them out and put in their original box. I've basically got all that stuff taped to the back of the cabinet with packing tape. Taped a piece of cardboard to the front of the amp as an extra little layer of protection. And taped some styrofoam blocks on either side of the control panel to protect the knobs.
I've been debating puting something in the back of the amp just to take up the space so if the tape for the casters/tubes/etc come undone, they won't have much area to move. Right now I've got large wads of heavy packing paper. Bad idea? I know it's better than packing peanuts or something small that might get caught up or damage the speakers.
04-01-2013 08:47 PM - edited 04-01-2013 08:54 PM
Letting The UPS Store pack the amp is actually the only way they will insure it. Yes, it will cost more than DIY, and probably more than FedEx.
The UPS store is a franchise, so mom & pop can and will charge whatever they feel is appropriately exorbitant. Be thankful it's not Christmas.
You could scour local music stores for shipping cartons. Amp cartons typically have foam reinforcements in the corners for protection. Nothing taped to the inside of the cabinet is going to stay there. Better to wrap stuff in bubble wrap, then put stuff on the bottom of the cab and stuff more bubble wrap on top of it, filling up any empty space. Any space left empty is where something is going to bounce and likely break something else.
Power tubes, even in boxes, not individually wrapped in layers of bubble wrap, will be broken. Amp makers typically ship amps with the tubes installed, sometimes wrapped in plastic mesh, just like the candles at an Italian restaurant. All this stuff needs to be able to survive a four foot fall.
If you DIY, go to the UPS or FedEx websites. They have tutorials and guidelines to help. You will need at least two inches of padding around every side of whatever you're packing. The amp is packed well if you can pick up the carton and throw it as far as you can, and feel confident it will survive.
No, I'm not kidding.
04-02-2013 09:51 AM
"Nothing taped to the inside of the cabinet is going to stay there. Better to wrap stuff in bubble wrap, then put stuff on the bottom of the cab and stuff more bubble wrap on top of it, filling up any empty space. Any space left empty is where something is going to bounce and likely break something else."
Right. The casters are bubble wrapped and taped to the bottom. And I've got the packing paper in there now, in case they'll come free. It's all a pretty tight fight right now, but I could probably make it better.
Just curious if anyone thinks the paper is a bad idea over bubble wrap, air packs? Due to getting up into the innards of the amp.
I want to cover the entire panel with carboard if I can so that their packing peanuts can't get in there. I can imagine how much of a pain in the ass that would be if they got into the backs of the speakers.
"Amp cartons typically have foam reinforcements in the corners for protection."
Good call. I know UPS won't insure unless they pack. But I wonder if I pre-pad it before it goes into a box with their packaging if that's cool. Anyone know the answer there?
I think I'll not ship today... make some adjustments tonight.
Anyone else with thoughts on Fedex or UPS? And again, anyone know if you do some "pre-padding" of your own if that's cool with UPS for their insurance?
04-02-2013 11:06 AM
Here's what I normally do. I take any accessories like footswitches and casters and wrap them in bubble-wrap and put them into a small box in the bottom of the cabinet. I then fill all of the empty space with additional bubble wrap. I wrap the amp in large bubble wrap so that there is at least 3 inches of thickness all the way around. I'll put the bubblewrapped amp into a heavy duty plastic garbage bag, squeeze any excess air out, and tie it shut. This gives something a little extra to grab onto when unpacking. I get some insulation foam from the hardware store and cut it down so that I can have a layer or two of foam on all sides inside the box. I tape the box shut with fiber-reinforced tape instead of the generic clear packing tape.
Also, I only ship FedEx and USPS now. The only problems I've ever had were with UPS. I shipped a Twin Reverb and the box arrived mangled, but the amp was fine. I once bought an AC30 that UPS delivered with a torn up box, and when I opened it up a solder joint on one of the filter caps had broken so the lead was hanging loose. I also had UPS lose a Prophet 5 for several days. Never had any problems with FedEx.
04-02-2013 07:49 PM
I individually wrap all the tubes in bubble wrap, tape them together, bubble wrap that, load the back of the amp wit bubble wrap and stuff them inside there with all that. Then I wrap several layers of big bubble wrap around the amp in every direction. Put in a big box and/or build a box around it if a large enough one isn't available, then use a bunch of strapping tape on the outside to make sure nothing will possibly open. Packing peanuts will probably do jack crap to protect something as heavy as an amp. I once got an amp mailed to me which was "built like a tank" packed with packing peanuts. Yeah...that shit enver worked again.
04-02-2013 09:03 PM
You guys have me nervous as hell now. I feel ok with the innards being secure. It's the cab and knobs I'm worried about now. Granted if I let UPS pack it.. then I can use their insurance.
Bought some bubblewrap tonight. Too late to wrap it now (damn packing tape makes so much noise). I'll give it a going over in the AM. When i take it to UPS, I'll let them add whatever they want to their box -- 'here.. here's a big padded thing i want you to pack like it wasn't padded but needed to be'. And I'll take some big chunks of stryofoam i've got to see if they'd use them.
04-03-2013 03:05 AM - edited 04-03-2013 03:13 AM
UPS or FedEx will not use peanuts. They are useless for heavy items like amps anyway. It's almost impossible to use enough peanuts to keep heavy objects like an amp from moving around. The peanuts all end up on one side of the carton, and the heavy amp on the other side, usually the bottom.
Tape will not keep anything from coming loose and breaking something. You need to pack enough bubble wrap to ensure that NOTHING MOVES when it's dropped from a height of four feet. In a UPS or FedEx distribution center, boxes move along unsupervised conveyor belts. Cartons fall off these conveyor belts. No one can watch all those packages all the time.
04-03-2013 07:15 PM
OK so sent it out today. For those interested in costs.
From NE Florida to Illinois. $108 UPS ground (I'd set shipping as $90 in the auction).
Packing was another $45 or so.
They double bubbled it (on top of the job I'd done), plus peanuts and a double box.
So I took a lit hit on my intake, but it's gone...
Now... what to replace replace it with? Debating AC15C2 Twin Twelve.
04-03-2013 07:20 PM
Now... what to replace replace it with? Debating AC15C2 Twin Twelve.
An AC15 2x12 is never a bad idea.
04-03-2013 08:17 PM
Well... yeah I went ahead and bought it. It's New via Ebay... so i'm nervous now about shipping coming to me. But the savings over getting it at one of the stores here in town is worth it.
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