Effects - Pedals, Multi-Effects, and Floor Boxes

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Ever play a show and and feel like you want a new amp every second youre playing? 

I feel like I'm trying to push too much sounds out of my Fender Hot Rod Deville at times. Loopers with Fuzz on top with wah and delay..etc. So what would would you guys recommend? I'm looking forward to finding/playing a Egnator Renegade 212 tomorrow. Might even keep the Hot Rod and run just the looper thru it. Am I barking up the right tree?

Switchable reverb - Assignable to 1 of 2 channels - "with spillover" - (does that mean trails?)

Blendable 6L6 - EL34

External Test Bias Points

XLR Line Out

Explain switchable Wattage to me? My limited understanding is lower volume breakup from 18 to more headroom at 65? Useable?

etc.....

Whats your take? Get a head and separate cabinet? What else is out there? AC30?

[Beef]

I might be a little slow here but what exactly is your problem with the Deville? Headroom? Muddiness? Could you break it down for me a little?

[riff ie]

earplugs and surround self with friendlys', cause load is moar w/twind'... all the best dude, make...

[Danhedonia]

I have a Rebel 30 head with many/most of the same features.

Yes, the reverb has trails (if you switch from one channel to another).

Yes, the wattage dial is there for you to tweak headroom.  Both the literature with the amp and many users will tell you this has little impact until you turn up a bit.  I find it gets loud around 9:30/10:30; the wattage dial doesn't really have an immediately noticeable impact until you're past that.

Same goes for the tube blend dial; at lower volumes, not that much going on.  At high volumes with PATIENT dialing in, an immense array of harmonic possibilities.  Really.

I think Egnaters are great amps.  There's a tendency among all of us to make comparisons, and when I picked up the Rebel I kept getting asked "is it like a _____?"  It's hard to say "no, it's like an Egnater" when most aren't familiar with the brand.  Also, apparently GC has an exclusive for new retail with them, though I seem them used from time to time. Egnater's customer service is very good, too.

The clean channel on my Rebel won't quite flake the enamel off your teeth like, say, a nicer Fender, but you can indeed get glassy bell tones.  I've never been a big fan of gain/teh brootalz, so I'm a lousy judge of that stuff, but I do like that channel with stacked fuzzes if you're looking for filthy sounds.

The XLR out on mine is terrific; the FX loop just fine.  The HPF/LPF toggles ("tight" and "bright") are okay; I find the LPF more useful for my purposes.

I liked the Rebel at first because it has a nice transparency and I was playing a bunch of indie-ish single-coil leads, but it wasn't until a few dozen hours in that I started to deeply appreciate all of the sounds I can get with it.

Actually, I like it so much I wish I had one of the larger heads ....

[Danhedonia]

FWIW, I also have a HRD 410 ... it's sat in a corner, under it's cover since the Egnater came home.

[thom]

Can't recommend those Korg AC30s enough, but I guess you could call em a required taste, dispite their huge popularity.

If you can afford to, keep the HRD. If you use loops regularly, you definatelly want to go with two amps imo.

I ended up replacing my AC30 with a Deluxe Reverb, just cause the size/weight/power works out better for me. No xlr out or build in attenuator or any other 'modern' features though.

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Beef wrote:
I might be a little slow here but what exactly is your problem with the Deville? Headroom? Muddiness? Could you break it down for me a little?

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Yeah It's getting muddy I guess, so headroom's an issue. Not much of an amp guy really. Ive read that the hot rods are a little dirty in their nature so I think I wanted to try playing my songs on something a little cleaner at the root. I feel like I gotta play super loud to get a decent sound from it and then I'll push it over the edge with some delay. The HRD is also a finicky fucker, volume pots, indicator light sometimes works, some days are better than others, and the other night it was making some strange loud studder/humming after my set. It went away after I turned it off and then back on again. I'm wondering how many shows I can play before I need to fix something and being a first generation HRD known for design flaws I dont think this ones worth putting anymore money into.

I'm still considering another fender its just when I compare features with prices the Renegade stands out. So I'm trying to figure out what features are worth their weight. Switchable reverb is a must for me. I cant understand the purpose of having a great amp reverb with no control over when it's used.

Innovation over nostalgia without reinventing the wheel is where my heads at.

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riff ie wrote:

earplugs and surround self with friendlys', cause load is moar w/twind'... all the best dude, make...

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Damn I go in and out with comprehending you. Sometimes I think I understand you when I dont need to, and other times I'm in a suspensful action thriller waiting to hear the access codes to diffuse the bomb in the nick of time and youre on the other walkie talkie chiming in intermittently with not enough information to get the job done.

I'll assume youre down like a clown for this purchase...haha

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Danhedonia wrote:

FWIW, I also have a HRD 410 ... it's sat in a corner, under it's cover since the Egnater came home.

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This is good to hear...Its good talking to an owner of similar gear. For what its worth I'm not a fan of heavy gain chugging or anything, but I do use a colossus fuzz for my main distortion on power chord punk. Check out my bandcamp live recording and skip around a little on it and tell me if I'm barking up the right tree. Links below.

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thom wrote:

Can't recommend those Korg AC30s enough, but I guess you could call em a required taste, dispite their huge popularity.

If you can afford to, keep the HRD. If you use loops regularly, you definatelly want to go with two amps imo.

I ended up replacing my AC30 with a Deluxe Reverb, just cause the size/weight/power works out better for me. No xlr out or build in attenuator or any other 'modern' features though.

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I've never played a vox before I plan to today. I know I loved emulated sounds on my tonelab, and I have an AC30 amplug that I jam with headphones..haha. So explain the required tastes for me. Ive read sometimes that theyre finicky with some pedals and whatnot.

School me on the Deluxe Reverb...My understanding its more of a "get mic'd at shows" kinda thing. And I think I'd be better off planning for the shows without a PA system. So look at The Twin Reverb?

[dap99]

The Twin is crazy loud, heavy, and tons of head room. GREAT cleans IMO. I have a 74, but the speakers were replaced and they're wired at 8 ohms instead of the standard 4. But it sounds great ant the tech who I use said they're good speakers and not to mess wit anything.

Pro Reverbs are 40 watts I believe so they'll break up sooner. If you want loud cleans, the Twin is where it's at. YMMV.

[Beef]

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Beef wrote:
I might be a little slow here but what exactly is your problem with the Deville? Headroom? Muddiness? Could you break it down for me a little?

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Yeah It's getting muddy I guess, so headroom's an issue. Not much of an amp guy really. Ive read that the hot rods are a little dirty in their nature so I think I wanted to try playing my songs on something a little cleaner at the root. I feel like I gotta play super loud to get a decent sound from it and then I'll push it over the edge with some delay. The HRD is also a finicky fucker, volume pots, indicator light sometimes works, some days are better than others, and the other night it was making some strange loud studder/humming after my set. It went away after I turned it off and then back on again. I'm wondering how many shows I can play before I need to fix something and being a first generation HRD known for design flaws I dont think this ones worth putting anymore money into.

I'm still considering another fender its just when I compare features with prices the Renegade stands out. So I'm trying to figure out what features are worth their weight. Switchable reverb is a must for me. I cant understand the purpose of having a great amp reverb with no control over when it's used.

Innovation over nostalgia without reinventing the wheel is where my heads at.

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So it sounds like you wanna get something new then because from that you could also spend some money fixing up your HRD.  I might be tempted to take it to a tech, retube it, swap the volume pot to change the taper, and throw a different speaker in there.  If it has an effects loop, running your delay and othe time based stuff through there might help the muddiness.

On the other hand if you want to get a whole new amp that's cool too.  I don't have the most experience with Egnaters but I did monkey around with a Rebel 20 a little while after they came out and was pretty impressed with that (as mentioned earlier it shares a lot of features with the Renegade).  As for a Deluxe Reverb, they're awesome amps but might not have enough power for you.  The Pro Reverb idea is definitely worth checking out IMO too or just go all out and get a twin, as mentioned loud and clean is their MO.  Good luck with the search man.

[GREC]

Maybe you need an external cab. My head (of another amp) blew & rented a HRD -ran it thru my 4x12 and was plenty loud & clean.

I'm sure the stock tubes in them are not the greatest either. Maybe a tube change?

[brokenfixed]

Yeah thanks for the advice fellas. I just bought all new tubes for the HRD, didnt help much. Was debating on new speakers but figured I'd rather put money into something else.

So I ended up buying the Egnator Renegade yesterday and I love it. I got a little time to A/B it against the HRD and I'm definately hearing the improvements in overall sound. When I get things setup a little better I'll probably go stereo with the looper going into just the HRD. We'll see.

[PRS_JRW]

That's weird, I have the opposite problem with my DeVille. It's crystal clear and has sparkling clean sounds, even when I'm pushing the front end and cranking the volume. I love it for that.

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Thats cool