11-20-2007 01:48 AM
I see clones recommended all the time here on HCFX. I've even seen people brag about their clone being better than the original for less money.
Why is this any different?
11-20-2007 01:52 AM
funny thing is, there are dozens of posts here every day about clones. Nobody bats an eye lid when we're talking about a Muff clone, or Big Cheese clone, tube screamer or any of the other clone.
why should it be any different for zvex pedals?
11-20-2007 02:43 AM
11-20-2007 02:52 AM
Because every one of those other pedals you've mentioned are owned/produced by corporations (or no longer existing manufacturers). A corporation isn't even a real thing - it's a legal fiction. Sure it can own property but you can't actually point it out to your friend and say 'That's Ibanez'. All you can do is identify its assets and products. Boutique builders like Zvex or any other (Skreddy, FoxRox etc) have actual identities - I can show you a photo of Zachary Vex.
These are people who often have their entire livelihood invested in venture. Sure the Director of ProCo would be out of a job if the company went down, but his assets are distinct from the company's. You're not robbing him, you're robbing a non-entity. And therein lies the difference.
11-20-2007 03:00 AM
It's not aimed at the American market. There was recently a thread featuring a Hungarian pedal builder. There was some mocking of it because he was doing fuzz pedals and TS-9 clones and some of the comments that came out went along the lines of 'Yawn, another TS9 clone builder'.
For a new American builder to create TS9 clones would be daft. The US boutique market is pretty full. However us Europeans do not have anywhere near the same amount of builders out there. Who do we have in Europe who's big in the pedal building world? I can think of Pete Cornish, Emma pedals and BJF pedals right now. Compare that to Analogman, ZVex, Aramat, Lovepedal, Skreddy, Menatone, Diamond, Paul C etc etc etc.
With shipping prices from the US to Europe going up and the customs taxes being more stringently applied, at least certainly here in Britain, there is going to be pedal copying going on. I've tried a couple of pedals by a guy on Ebay called siggy_v and they're really nicely done pedals bar the paintwork which flaked off a bit. It's not a route I would take, I would not buy a cloned Fuzz Factory because I'd rather have the Vexter version, but there's a reason why it's happening and it is because of the extra price us Europeans pay for US-made pedals and the fact that our boutique market is so small compared to the US.
Clones exist. Many people here have been the BYOC route. I think it's a case that some people don't mind ripping off the more mundane pedals like the RAT but something unique like the Fuzz Factory is a bit more sacrosanct. it's like bootleg music: it feels less bad if you're copying a multi-million selling band like Coldplay but ripping off the small unheard of indie band on a small label feels wrong.
11-20-2007 03:04 AM
11-20-2007 03:26 AM
Yeah, but that's £55, which is about half the price of a new Vexter FF here in the UK. I imagine the incentive for European folks is just as strong. These clones aren't aimed at US players, just as HeartfeltDawn said, they're aimed squarely at the folks on this side of the Atlantic who continue to be charged more for US made products, regardless of the sliding Dollar and it's worth ...
11-20-2007 04:32 AM
11-20-2007 04:43 AM
Well, yes, that's taken as given, though as I've pointed out here before a lot of members here have ridiculously black and white(i.e. incorrect) worldviews. Though stealing not always being that wrong, doesn't exactly make this instance of "Stealing" wrong. I'm still not sure what to make of it.
In the end, it almost feels like it boils down to 'It's fine to pilfer stuff from corporations but not from independent people'. Going along those lines, is it OK to pirate music released by corporate record companies because that corporation only owns the rights to the music but not OK to pirate music released by a band's own record label because it's the original creators of the music selling it? Some theft is worse than others perhaps? __________________
11-20-2007 05:00 AM
11-20-2007 05:09 AM
11-20-2007 05:22 AM
I doubt it's of the same build quality as real Zvex product anyway, but then again, despite Berhinger's efforts, Germans tend to be amazing engineers on a number of levels.
11-20-2007 05:38 AM
11-20-2007 06:32 AM
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