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[Folky_Grunge]

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ambient wrote:

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bjcarl wrote:

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ambient wrote:

I don't believe in them, but I love hearing other people's stories. I often ask my students about them

There's a suprising number of otherwise normal people who claim to see ghosts all the time. Like in The Sixth Sense.

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I've actually seen what most people would call ghosts on a few occassions, but as an open-minded sceptic, I have to concede that my eyes and/or mind might have been playing tricks on me, or there might be some other rational explanation.  That's why I don't deny the claims of sightings/experiences in other posts here, but I don't necessarily think that what they saw were ghosts.

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Yea I tend to believe them insofar as I don't think they are lying, but I also doubt that the only explaination is something supernatural.

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That's how I look at it, too. Someone experiences something they can't explain (whether or not it actually has an explanation) and think it's a ghost because that's a thing in our culture. The stories they tell always match ghost conventions for this culture, too. Because memories are incredibly inaccurate and supbject to suggestion, the more time goes on, the more they believe. It's the kind of thing that happens with really every paranaromal thing and people that witness it.

[delayed delay]

I thought I saw a ghost come out of my ass one time, but I realized about 2.5 seconds later that it was just a fart.

[PurpleTrails]

Yeah.  Saw something that looked suspiciously like one about 30 years ago.  I was with a friend who saw the same thing, and both of us were sober, so I tend to believe it wasn't just a brainfart.  Freaked the hell out of both of us, and we basically did the scooby doo screech and scramble away thing.

[Lanefair]

Was this at night?

[El Gallo Negro]

I believe in the ghost of Red Lobster. Those biscuits are haunting me.

[Urinate Forever]

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goodhonk wrote:

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boytbpc wrote:

I don't believe in ghosts and I think people who do are either crazy, dumb, or brain-washed into a cult that makes believing in un-true things possible.  

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i dont' believe in a lot of things, but i dare not say someone that does is either crazy, dumb, or brain-washed.  you have a lot of growing up to do.

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god won't protect u from your own stupidity.

[Lou Speed's Alt]

I don't really believe in ghosts but it would be cool if they were real. I'd like to live in a haunted house as long as the ghosts were cool.

[Urinate Forever]

my house is haunted by the ghost of my father.

maybe. a lot of my friends have said they get weird vibes when they're alone in the house. doors open on their own, u hear people walking downstairs at night.

[Lanefair]

The only way anything stays on this planet is by having mass and succumbing to gravity. A ghost would just drift into space unless it had mass, in which case you could kill it. And create a ghostghost.

[goodhonk]

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Lanefair wrote:
The only way anything stays on this planet is by having mass and succumbing to gravity. A ghost would just drift into space unless it had mass, in which case you could kill it. And create a ghostghost.

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perhaps that's what everyone is seeing, these ghostghosts you speak of.

[King Rat]

double ghosts? Oh my!

[boytbpc]

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Urinate Forever wrote:

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goodhonk wrote:

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boytbpc wrote:

I don't believe in ghosts and I think people who do are either crazy, dumb, or brain-washed into a cult that makes believing in un-true things possible.  

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i dont' believe in a lot of things, but i dare not say someone that does is either crazy, dumb, or brain-washed.  you have a lot of growing up to do.

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god won't protect u from your own stupidity.

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Goodhonk, if someone believe that faries live in the bottom of their well, how would you describe that behavior and belief?  The person either has a mental illness, is ignorant, or was indoctrinated into a belief system that included faries, regardless of the lack of evidence of their existence.  Therefor, the are either crazy, dumb, or brain-washed.  I don't believe growing up means accepting the beliefs of people who deny reality, growing up means accepting reality and standing for truth.  If we are to discuss these things honestly and with intent of educating each other, I will use kinder terms, but this is a music forumn on the internet, and so I cut to the chase.

Urinate Forever, the gods that you believe in have done a terrible job at protecting anybody, from their own stupidity or the stupidity of others.  To quote Sam Harris on god's ability to protect the innocent, let alone the vocal anti-theist, “Either God can do nothing to stop catastrophes like this, or he doesn’t care to, or he doesn’t exist. God is either impotent, evil, or imaginary. Take your pick, and choose wisely."

[goodhonk]

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boytbpc wrote:

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Urinate Forever wrote:

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goodhonk wrote:

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boytbpc wrote:

I don't believe in ghosts and I think people who do are either crazy, dumb, or brain-washed into a cult that makes believing in un-true things possible.  

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i dont' believe in a lot of things, but i dare not say someone that does is either crazy, dumb, or brain-washed.  you have a lot of growing up to do.

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god won't protect u from your own stupidity.

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Goodhonk, if someone believe that faries live in the bottom of their well, how would you describe that behavior and belief?  The person either has a mental illness, is ignorant, or was indoctrinated into a belief system that included faries, regardless of the lack of evidence of their existence.  Therefor, the are either crazy, dumb, or brain-washed.  I don't believe growing up means accepting the beliefs of people who deny reality, growing up means accepting reality and standing for truth.  If we are to discuss these things honestly and with intent of educating each other, I will use kinder terms, but this is a music forumn on the internet, and so I cut to the chase.

Urinate Forever, the gods that you believe in have done a terrible job at protecting anybody, from their own stupidity or the stupidity of others.  To quote Sam Harris on god's ability to protect the innocent, let alone the vocal anti-theist, “Either God can do nothing to stop catastrophes like this, or he doesn’t care to, or he doesn’t exist. God is either impotent, evil, or imaginary. Take your pick, and choose wisely."

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you set up the straw man and knock em down.  bravo.

[korgi]

my parents had a pub which appartently had a ghost.....the buliding was about 350 years old.

there were quite a few stories, and most of the customers that had reported sightings, all saw the same woman.

my dad saw her late one night after the pub was shut and he was tidying up the room.....he said she just walked right in front of him - when i asked him about it, he said it just looked like a person walking past (not all ghostly or misty or whatever) he could describe what she was wearing, the colour and style of her clothes (that were very old fashioned).....he said she just walked out in front of him - across the room, and then simply wasn't there.
(and there wasn't anyone else in the building everyone had left at least an hour before, and it was only a small place - two rooms)

it was weird, cos i don't believe in the whole ghost thing, but i could tell he was certainly telling the truth - he had seem it whatever it was.

[Lanefair]

You see, how do people just carry on drinking at that pub. If I saw a ghost id leave town and probably end up in an asylum questioning the nature of existence.

[boytbpc]

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goodhonk wrote:

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boytbpc wrote:

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Urinate Forever wrote:

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goodhonk wrote:

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boytbpc wrote:

I don't believe in ghosts and I think people who do are either crazy, dumb, or brain-washed into a cult that makes believing in un-true things possible.  

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i dont' believe in a lot of things, but i dare not say someone that does is either crazy, dumb, or brain-washed.  you have a lot of growing up to do.

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god won't protect u from your own stupidity.

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Goodhonk, if someone believe that faries live in the bottom of their well, how would you describe that behavior and belief?  The person either has a mental illness, is ignorant, or was indoctrinated into a belief system that included faries, regardless of the lack of evidence of their existence.  Therefor, the are either crazy, dumb, or brain-washed.  I don't believe growing up means accepting the beliefs of people who deny reality, growing up means accepting reality and standing for truth.  If we are to discuss these things honestly and with intent of educating each other, I will use kinder terms, but this is a music forumn on the internet, and so I cut to the chase.

Urinate Forever, the gods that you believe in have done a terrible job at protecting anybody, from their own stupidity or the stupidity of others.  To quote Sam Harris on god's ability to protect the innocent, let alone the vocal anti-theist, “Either God can do nothing to stop catastrophes like this, or he doesn’t care to, or he doesn’t exist. God is either impotent, evil, or imaginary. Take your pick, and choose wisely."

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you set up the straw man and knock em down.  bravo.

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Not so, I argue that no supernatural creatures exist, faries, ghosts, big foot, gods, they are all the same..  

[goodhonk]

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boytbpc wrote:

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Not so, I argue that no supernatural creatures exist, faries, ghosts, big foot, gods, they are all the same..  

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yes, but you dismiss everyone's account, many eye witness accounts, and equate it with someone no one has seen, to prove your point.  

i like you boytbc, and i dont' think you are crazy or foolish or brainwashed for your beliefs.  maybe a lot close minded is all.

[turnstylepoet]

Retarded ghost says, "don't fight you guys."

[boytbpc]

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goodhonk wrote:

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boytbpc wrote:

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Not so, I argue that no supernatural creatures exist, faries, ghosts, big foot, gods, they are all the same..  

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yes, but you dismiss everyone's account, many eye witness accounts, and equate it with someone no one has seen, to prove your point.  

i like you boytbc, and i dont' think you are crazy or foolish or brainwashed for your beliefs.  maybe a lot close minded is all.

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I like you too Honk, we just disagree on some things.  As an atheist, vegetarian, liberal from a small Kansas town, I'm used to liking people I disagree with though.  

Anyway, back to the point, first, eyewitnesses are the worst witnesses.  Second, the brain has a well known trait to see faces (or other significant input from our other senses)  where there isn't one, it is known as paridolia.  There is an evolutionary theory for this, those that didn't react to the sounds in the savana, didn't become your ancestors.  Third, I'm going with James Randi on this one, evidence is what speaks, and I don't see any evidence for ghosts, also Randi comments on where are the animal ghosts?  Finally, I get a kick out of being called closed-minded, the reason I find it funny is because I'll be the first one to change my mind once quality evidence is presented to support an opinion I disagree with, but a few people who see bunnies in clouds and faces in drapes isn't quality evidence.  "Be open-minded, but not so open-minded that your brains fall out.", Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.  

[soapbladder]

I'm sorta in the Mr. and Mrs. PacMan school of thought on this subject:

Stay away from ghosts if they are red, orange, pink, or sonic blue. However, If they are dark blue/purple they are delicious. (Just don't eat the eyes.)

SB