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09-18-2011 07:10 AM
As a player that's dealing with hand issues courtesy of 30+ years of playing wrong, I find myself almost paranoid about this. I do have some Vic Firth sticks, and the flag emblem seems to be about right, or at least feel that way . According to the Great Hands For A Lifetime DVD I picked up, you should also see the stick rotating in your hands while you play. I am definitely working on that and the grip, but fast single stroke fills round the kit , I still feel the ' death grip' coming on. I can't play like that anymore. My hands will not stand up to that.
Man, if there was anything, ANYTHING that I could change about playing , it would be the fact that I should have gotten some real instruction when I started out, instead of just teaching myself. I highly recommend the aforementioned DVD. It sorts all the mysteries out, in plain language, and its not a chopfest DVD where the instructor shows you the minimal things then fills out the DVD with how good they are. Its just Tommy I, sticks, a practice pad, a metronome, and some of his students. Again, exactly where and how you grip is subjective. I 'm sure if 10 of us got together, you'd see 10 different ways that work for each person. But, speaking as someone who was facing the choice of change, or stop playing, this DVD has helped immensely . I still have a helluva long way to go, but at least I'm heading in the right direction.
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09-19-2011 09:47 AM
The final word on that I'd say...
That ventured, the problem I have with the "safe grip" is it lacks musical range. An industrial "racing" grip that will respond precisely to musical terrain is what's called for. You tried with your death grip and I bet it worked until it wore out. Which would be my next point. Machines wear out. Be it through inadequacy, abuse, or planned obsolescence, they erode and eventually break. I try to keep this in mind and don't take my chops racing.
That said, I think the traditional grip will open new worlds for you - provided you go where it goes. You may find it won't play everything like you want. Weckl and Steve Smith rave about that guy (can't recall his name) who redid their chops. Steve Smith may be a little smoother and virtuosic for it. Weckl, IDK He sounds looser but there's no inventiveness or fire like the early years. Point again being, optimized for safety and a certain feel = less of other things musical.
09-19-2011 10:28 AM
I need a longer stick, clearly. My sticks back end is about the center of my palm.
09-19-2011 10:30 AM
i just don't agree with the assessment that the grip has something to do with the creativity or inventivness of the player. Inventiveness comes from a players brain. If you feel that Weckl doesn't have the same "fire" he had in the past, it's not because of his grip.
The very LAST thing you want to be thinking about is how you are holding your sticks while you are playing and/or creating. Figure out whatever grip works for you...if its holding you back technique-wise, then change it. Find a grip that you can use so you can do whatever you need do to express yourself. I always recommend finding techniques that don't make your hands hurt. Utilize rebound...making your playing flow nicely...Moeller.....powerstroke.....etc etc Practice your physical techique at home, get it into your muscle memory. On the bandstand, just play the music.
To answer the original question, I play traditional grip 97% of the time and play the "balance point" of a particular stick. If it's a louder type of song, I tend to grip closer to the butt with my right hand if I need a little extra "ummph"....a little more weight of the stick.
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