01-23-2013 09:47 AM
So I tried addictive drummer,
One of the other VST drum plug ins, I must say, I like it better. Except the hats. That is the weak link with AD.
I especially like that I can load my favorite snare.. Acrolite..
01-23-2013 10:00 AM
01-23-2013 10:23 AM
Price, quality, tone, and blattttt!! It's does it for me.... Really happy I can load it, and even tune it with AD. Can't tune them with SD...
01-24-2013 07:19 AM - edited 01-24-2013 07:41 AM
Welcome to the world of sampled drums. That's pretty much how it will go. I would highly recommend the Evil Drums SDX for SD2.0 (it claims to have 256 velocity layers for each drum, but you may or may not like the kit sounds). I wish i could try the BFD sampler, but i can't afford it right now. It is definitely in my wish list.
01-24-2013 07:39 AM
01-24-2013 11:06 AM
And why can't they put these in a module?
Because you will need a puter with lots of RAM and disk space (and a big touch screen maybe?). But looks like Alesis is heading in the right direction with the DM Dock Pro kit: http://www.inmusicbrands.com/wnamm2013/alesis
I dont own an ipad, but i am sure many do. I am perfectly happy with my laptop interface.
01-25-2013 08:01 AM
I have not tried BFD..
Tell me more about it, why you chose it over the others...
And why can't they put these in a module?
I kind of debated the choice for a while (between superior and BFD2)...it was close. But in the end a few things made me go with BFD2.
First and most important to me was realism. Playing accoustics for 20+ years I didn't want to feel like I was sacrificing anything. As I was doing research on them I discovered that the way BFD works is that they have by far the most velocity layers of any of the programs. So with BFD when you hit a drum you hear a recorded sample everytime. With superior it's my understanding they use computer scaling to "fill in the gaps" between the velocity layers they have. Now....going by samples I heard at the time..they both sounded great...but the simple fact was that BFD just seemed to have the "raw numbers" of sample size and velocity layers. And not having a way to try them both before I bought....I decided to use that as one of the main factors.
Second was the number of kit pieces and expanison packs. The basic BFD pack has way more drums than Superior. Plus they have tons of expansion packs. Most importantly the Platinum Samples packs which have the highest detail of any on the market today. (I know they released Evil Drums for Superior but they've pulled it because it was hacked nearly right away so it's not availible anymore).
Third was the recording method. BFD decided to record their drums as "raw" as possible. So when load a kit you hear the kit with no EQ and no compression etc...The raw sound is yours to shape. Where as I've heard Superior's drums are a little more "produced" to drop into mixes without much tweaking. That's great if the sound fits well....but personally I wanted the ability to "produce" my own sound starting from as "live" a drum sound as possible.
In a way this issue is one of what you need and want to do. If you don't want to spend a ton of time adding EQ, Compression etc...ie...being a producer, but would rather have something that works well quickly..then superior is probably a better choice.
and fourth was the sheer power of the program....I'd also heard that BFD's mixer, effects, etc....were much more "deep" than Superior. Again though...much steeper learning curve (from what I read) so it's more a matter of personal priorities. I wanted to learn that stuff and experiment with getting my own sounds from base drum recordings. Superior is apparently a little more "user friendly".
One thing I've heard about superior is that it's Hi Hats perform better than BFD's with e kits. I've managed to set mine up to a point where I'm very very happy with them but I do see some room for improvement there. I would love to try superior to see the difference, but it's probably not going to happen. Only so much money...and mine is pretty much firmly in the BFD camp.
Areas of concern for BFD are the sheer power of it. It's a huge resource hungry program that requires a very strong computer to use to it's full potential. BFD alone before expansions is like 50GB of info. Plus it is a more pricey program.
Most of the other issues it had have been ironed out pretty well through the various free build upgrades. I don't feel like I miss much from a real drumset at all. And that was the goal going in for me. And the things I lose from a real kit I make up for with options that are absolutely impossible to get from a real kit.
And as Enigmatic mentioned the reason they aren't in modules is cause of the size. Modules hardly have the size to hold any information. It would be sweet one day if they could though.
In the end, it's a pretty amazing time for this sort of thing no matter which program you choose. I've fooled this board a couple of times. Nobody can tell they aren't real drums.
01-25-2013 11:27 AM - edited 01-25-2013 12:24 PM
Well said soundcreation. I jumped into the SD2.0 bandwagon mostly because their marketing strategy and hype generated (and it was 50% discounted price, which makes sense). Little did i know or research beforehard on velocity layers and all those glory details they left out.
My final thought, it not the sampler as much as the sample qualtiy. I love SD2.0 interface, very simple to use. As for effects, i use mult-out via cubase and use Cubase for all the effects.
I actually really like the Evil Drums expansion with SD20. Seems like it is the closest to Platinum BFD samples it terms of quality and velocity layers, if not better. As for the drums sounds, it's a matter of personal taste as well. (i haven't heard anything offcial of ED SDX being pulled out. Any links or source? )
Anyhoo...The quest for the perfect sample library may not stop with just one software sampler. As PCs are getting more powerful, more drive space, more horsepower, the realism of the samples are getting much better (get ready to upgrade your hardrive though). i almost wanted to invest heavily in a good acoustic kit for my home studio, but later took the e-kit route (much cheaper than investing in more snares and plates). I will definitely be investing in BFD with Platinum samples. It would be great if all these sampler VSTs were compatible with eachother in a sense where you can grab one drum from one sampler, and one from other. I think there are ways to do that (by replacing midi tracks) but i haven't figured that out yet..
01-25-2013 06:49 PM - edited 01-25-2013 06:51 PM
Yeah...Rail from Platinum Samples mentioned it in their forum, and repeated it here...
It's a shame too because there is a youtube clip of someone A/B ing Evil drums on both programs and it's pretty much identical.
And yeah for home recording there is just no comparison anymore. I know acoustic drummers won't want to hear this but the simple fact is for the average "home studio" drummer who wants to record there is no way to get the same quality of sound and options with a real kit without spending mega mega money to basically create a proffessional studio in your house.
It took me a long time of humming and hawing over making the switch to edrums when I moved to a situation where I couldn't have real drums. I was stuck in my closed minded "they can't be as good as real drums" mentality. I wasted so much time because I didn't trust the tecnology. Turns out that for what I wanted (home recording) it had already far exceeded what I could have done with an acoustic kit, the budget I had, and the space I record in. And it's only getting better.
01-25-2013 09:18 PM - edited 01-25-2013 09:47 PM
OMG...that would be tragic because Evil Drums SDX puts all Toontrack samples in shame. By the way, i just noticed ED is also produced my Platinum Samples brand, and it is still offered by MF: (both for BFD and SDX format). I am so glad i shelled out $200 for this: http://www.musiciansfriend.com/pro-audio/platinum-
As for BFD sampler, I will wait and see if it's ever on sale. i will be able to trigger these samples: Platinum Samples Rock Drums Vol 1 & 2. Would be Awesome. (bummer...Platinum Samples didn't come out with the SDX version)
Just too good:
01-25-2013 09:44 PM
yeah that's probably one of the last ones availible. Anyone wanting one for superior would be smart to jump on that.
As for BFD I'm not sure what their plans are, as they don't ever comment on new releases...but BFD2 is getting a little long in the tooth. It may be more worth it to wait for "BFD3" when ever that comes around. Hopefully it won't be too much longer as I'm excited to see how much better it can get.
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