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Okay, as I consigned my IIci to the scrap heap, I realized that Apple's success is due to clever "hardware management." Apple makes nice margins on hardware; compare generic PC vs. Apple and you see what's happening. So Apple needs you to turn over your computers as much as possible for them to stay profitable, do R&D, come up with bold strokes like the iPod, etc.
But to be fair, they hold up their end of the bargain. When you get a new Mac, first of all, it looks bitchin'. Apple's industrial design is about as good as it gets; their computers are works of art IMHO. And you get a state of the art performance boost (assuming any relevant software has been updated to accommodate new hardware) because of hardware improvements.
Microsoft makes their bucks on the OS, so it's in their interest to have people get a new OS whenever Windows mutates into something new. And like Apple, they work hard to come up with the incentives so you go "Yeah, that's worth the bucks."
But we're also talking pure, unfiltered planned obsolescence, aren't we? Even if I wanted to use my IIci, no web browser that would run on it would pass a web site's browser check.
We all know progress has a price, but I think Apple has based their model around not just progress, but obsolescence. Even that brand new spanking Dual G5 is pretty much toast once the Intel-based models appear. In return, you get the latest and greatest. More and more, Apple is looking like sports cars, and Microsoft, like sedans -- albeit with leather seats and XM radio
But to be fair, they hold up their end of the bargain. When you get a new Mac, first of all, it looks bitchin'. Apple's industrial design is about as good as it gets; their computers are works of art IMHO. And you get a state of the art performance boost (assuming any relevant software has been updated to accommodate new hardware) because of hardware improvements.
Microsoft makes their bucks on the OS, so it's in their interest to have people get a new OS whenever Windows mutates into something new. And like Apple, they work hard to come up with the incentives so you go "Yeah, that's worth the bucks."
But we're also talking pure, unfiltered planned obsolescence, aren't we? Even if I wanted to use my IIci, no web browser that would run on it would pass a web site's browser check.
We all know progress has a price, but I think Apple has based their model around not just progress, but obsolescence. Even that brand new spanking Dual G5 is pretty much toast once the Intel-based models appear. In return, you get the latest and greatest. More and more, Apple is looking like sports cars, and Microsoft, like sedans -- albeit with leather seats and XM radio
There are now eight music videos posted on my YouTube channel, including a cover of "We Gotta Get Out of This Place," which joins "Little Pieces", "Black Market Daydreams," and "When the Grid Goes Down" (complete with disturbing video 
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Hi Craig, welcome to HC or should I say MF?
As a long time Logic Audio user (I'm using Emagic products since Creator/Notator) I'm kinda stuck with Apple anyway. But even if I'd change to a different DAW, I doubt that I'd switch to PC. Apples are reliable, stable and never let me down through all these years. That said, for the studio I'm using Apple (just bought a new G5 dual 2,7GHz) and for everything else, the PC is just fine for my needs.
As a long time Logic Audio user (I'm using Emagic products since Creator/Notator) I'm kinda stuck with Apple anyway. But even if I'd change to a different DAW, I doubt that I'd switch to PC. Apples are reliable, stable and never let me down through all these years. That said, for the studio I'm using Apple (just bought a new G5 dual 2,7GHz) and for everything else, the PC is just fine for my needs.
I think that's a pretty darned good description of the corporate cultures of the two computer giants Craig. :cool:
I've been through a lot of different computers over the years - Ataris, Macs, PC's - For me, they're all just tools. If they can run the software I want to use, and they work reliably (and both can be reliable platforms), I'm a happy camper.
I've been through a lot of different computers over the years - Ataris, Macs, PC's - For me, they're all just tools. If they can run the software I want to use, and they work reliably (and both can be reliable platforms), I'm a happy camper.
Sure, companies want to sell what they sell. Apple sells hardware, MS sells software. But "pure, unfiltered planned obsolescence?" Sounds like a conspiracy theory from a closet Apple hater!
The IIci is from 1989.
That computer lasted you 16 years.
That's longer than people generally keep computers of any stripe, not to mention cars and cats.
How many Microsoft programs do you still use from 1989? Is that pure, unfiltered planned obsolescence?
(In any case, shame on me for taking the Mac vs. PC bait - I take it your strategy was to get this thread out of the way so that everyone could get past it and talk about the good stuff )
- Peace, Love, and Brittanylips
The IIci is from 1989.
That computer lasted you 16 years.
That's longer than people generally keep computers of any stripe, not to mention cars and cats.
How many Microsoft programs do you still use from 1989? Is that pure, unfiltered planned obsolescence?
(In any case, shame on me for taking the Mac vs. PC bait - I take it your strategy was to get this thread out of the way so that everyone could get past it and talk about the good stuff
)- Peace, Love, and Brittanylips
Originally posted by Anderton
Okay, as I consigned my IIci to the scrap heap, I realized that Apple's success is due to clever "hardware management." Apple makes nice margins on hardware; compare generic PC vs. Apple and you see what's happening. So Apple needs you to turn over your computers as much as possible for them to stay profitable, do R&D, come up with bold strokes like the iPod, etc.
But to be fair, they hold up their end of the bargain. When you get a new Mac, first of all, it looks bitchin'. Apple's industrial design is about as good as it gets; their computers are works of art IMHO. And you get a state of the art performance boost (assuming any relevant software has been updated to accommodate new hardware) because of hardware improvements.
Microsoft makes their bucks on the OS, so it's in their interest to have people get a new OS whenever Windows mutates into something new. And like Apple, they work hard to come up with the incentives so you go "Yeah, that's worth the bucks."
But we're also talking pure, unfiltered planned obsolescence, aren't we? Even if I wanted to use my IIci, no web browser that would run on it would pass a web site's browser check.
We all know progress has a price, but I think Apple has based their model around not just progress, but obsolescence. Even that brand new spanking Dual G5 is pretty much toast once the Intel-based models appear. In return, you get the latest and greatest. More and more, Apple is looking like sports cars, and Microsoft, like sedans -- albeit with leather seats and XM radio
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