02-23-2013 12:26 PM - edited 02-23-2013 12:30 PM
key of A, here is the verse progression...
A - A7
D - F#dim
A - F#m
B - E
The chord is xx1212, would you call that F#dim? Need to give bass player a lead sheet.
02-23-2013 02:24 PM - edited 02-23-2013 02:26 PM
Cool that you have a bassist who can "walk" along a true Diminished chordscale. (-;
Your key is in sharps, so probably F#dim is the correct notation... but it depends overall on where your chord progression is "going".
02-24-2013 09:14 AM - edited 02-24-2013 09:20 AM
Of course, it won't help you chose among correct names, but I find that Eddie Boston's Chorderator suite (free version online) is very helpful... in this case, you could use his Chord Designer for coming up with a list of potentially correct names.
This is what it gives for the xx1212 chord above...
I'm no harmony maven, so my contribution here is limited to the link.
02-24-2013 09:36 AM - edited 02-24-2013 09:47 AM
Exactly... because in trad Western harmony there are only two "families" of fully-diminished chord (ie., the C family and the C# family) and, within a family, any Dim substitution may be effectively used... especially on a guitar, when your bassist is likely laying down the root... Motown would use variances like this in songs like: "What Becomes Of The Broken-Hearted?" and "If I Were Your Woman" and "Reach Out, I'll Be There", when it is often not completely clear, ear only, which note is serving as the root for the Dim chord; it could be anything within that particular Dim family. Dim is often a favorite "black gospel" chord, FWIW.
02-25-2013 08:15 AM
02-25-2013 10:21 AM - edited 02-25-2013 10:22 AM
Whenever I sit at the sidelines of a theory discussion online, it seems I end up more confused than I was before I started, if only because with all these folks who know so much more about harmonic theory than I do, if you get more than two or three it is pretty much inevitable that an intractable argument about the theory at hand and or terminology will erupt...
Someone here (I think it was the irascible Angelo C) said there is only ONE correct theoretical interpretation for any situation (not, of course, that I would ever again take AC's pronouncements as gospel but he does claim to know a lot), and that would be reassuring -- if there was ever a situation where everyone agreed.
02-25-2013 10:26 AM
03-01-2013 10:25 PM
03-02-2013 08:56 AM - edited 03-02-2013 08:59 AM
I tried to post this from my phone when the topic first appeared, but the new forum does not allow log-in from a Droid....
I'd tell him the note that you'd like him to play. There's no law that says the bass note has to be one of the notes in the chord. If the chord occurs during a chromatic bass run, for example, it might sound better to use the correct note from the run. But, theoretically, the bass note in an F#dim could be F#, A, C, or D#. In fact you could name the chord any of F#dim, Adim, Cdim or D#dim and be 'correct'.
(My apologies to those with formal training who think some of those notes should be flats. I'm brain-wired so the only notes I ever consider to be flat are Bb and sometimes Ab; all the others will always be sharps to me).
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