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Super Contributor
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Registered: ‎08-21-2005

Craig, Would you consider moving SSS out of HC?

I only started hanging out at HC because SSS moved here from MP.  I hate to complain, but this place is now so bad I'm checking in less, and that's mostly to see if they've kicked all the 15-year-olds off the HC project and got some adults in here to save it. 

The powers that be are telling themselves, "Don't worry, there's always resistance to change, but the members will get used to it and all come back."

I don't think so.  HC has royally fucked itself big time! 

 

 

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TimOBrien
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Re: Craig, Would you consider moving SSS out of HC?

Agreed.  It's like stepping back to a 1995 BBS. 

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Re: Craig, Would you consider moving SSS out of HC?

I was running BBSes in 1995, and I assure you, this is far prettier.

Of course, back in those days, content was king.
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Re: Craig, Would you consider moving SSS out of HC?

i think that would be pretty cool
My electronic music project, KHALIL, just released its first EP, "tell Us What Happened" on Thumbs Up Records in Florida. If you are into chill, experimental beat music with keyboards, saxophone and sample manipulation, check it out:

http://khalilduo.bandcamp.com/

Piano Interperetation of Fleedwood Mac's "Landslide" --

https://soundcloud.com/ryan7585/landslide
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UstadKhanAli
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Re: Craig, Would you consider moving SSS out of HC?

What is it about HC that you don't like?  Is it the new look and function of the forum?  Is it the sort of people who post here?  The lack of traffic to Craig's forum?  The discussions?  Is it something else? 

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bookumdano3
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Re: Craig, Would you consider moving SSS out of HC?

Forum looks okay to me.. but then.. it's just a forum.  Craig, would you maybe consider moving your shoes over there instead of over at that other spot?

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Re: Craig, Would you consider moving SSS out of HC?

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UstadKhanAli wrote:

What is it about HC that you don't like?  Is it the new look and function of the forum?  Is it the sort of people who post here?  The lack of traffic to Craig's forum?  The discussions?  Is it something else? 



Right now its the feel and function of the new site.  Its hideous!  Looks amateur like some kind of mom and pop operation using free software.  I shared my complaints in the feedback area along with the 43 million other people complaining about the site changes, so my suggestions were lost the moment they were posted.

What I did not like in the past about HC in general was the difficulty in finding peers to talk shop.  SSS was different in that you're not always having to answer questions like, "If I plug the output of my mixer into a channel input will it cause feedback?  And what is feedback anyway and why should it concern me?"  No one is talking much about anything now... except how bad the site is.  Well, look at it!  It's not a learning curve issue either... it's just the way it functions... or more like does not function.  HC has lost whatever credibility it had with these poorly thought out and prematurely implemented changes.  It's in all the papers!

EDIT:  Its like a crazy person put this thing together... a disorderly mind.


"Wanted: Certifiably insane individual to completely revamp our website.  Send resume and asylum commitment papers to disassociatedceo@harmonycentral.com  ADD, ADHD or Borderline Personality Disorder a plus.  No experience necessary!"

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Re: Craig, Would you consider moving SSS out of HC?

HC has definitely slowed down but I think that happens with all forums. To "raise the bar", I would suggest having guests from time to time... mixers, MEs, producers, etc... sort of like GS.

 

How do you think SSS wil change if its moved?

 

 

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nat whilk II
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Re: Craig, Would you consider moving SSS out of HC?

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There is so much content in HC overall.  I'm for just waiting this one out.  I don't care all that much about look 'n feel.  If the people are here, it's good.  

 

It's like restaurants.  People are attracted to places that are already crowded, and not without reason.  The old SSS place - it was like a restaurant that is closed for repairs constantly, or the city is digging up the sidewalk in front of it about 1/2 the time.  After a while you just give up checking to see if it's open.  We're all too busy for that.

 

So now the doors are always open, the place is clean and ready for business and...hello?  hello??? People have lost the habit of dropping by.

 

New people will show.  Old timers will drift back around.  The food is still good.  If you miss the interesting conversation at the bar, then just be interesting all by yourself - you'll help draw the crowd.  And call a couple people, ask them to come back around sometime....

 

nat whilk ii

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Re: Craig, Would you consider moving SSS out of HC?

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Honestly...I'm just waiting this out. We'll see what happens. The restaurant analogy is really spot on. My somewhat less clever analogy is that HC is currently a guitar that hasn't really been set up. The intonation needs to be adjusted, the truss rod needs a tweak, the pole pieces aren't screwed in to the right height, and the crappy strings it shipped with need to be changed.


Some people will say "this guitar's crap" and return it, others will be willing to wait until they can schedule an appointment with a luthier to get it set up. Others will play it after it's set up, and decide that setup wasn't all it needed. Still others will play it after it's set up, and think "damn, this thing really plays well now."


I've been doing the forum thing a long time. I can wait a little bit to see what shakes out here. I consider it a real plus that the hardware works. The negatives are, in many cases, fixable; in some cases they aren't, but there are other features we didn't have before that we can now exploit.

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Re: Craig, Would you consider moving SSS out of HC?

Yes, the restaurant analogy is applicable, but right now HC has the feel of a McDonald's restaurant where they make the chairs and atmosphere uncomfortable by design to get people in and out faster.  You come in, you eat and you leave because your butt and back hurt from sitting in the chairs and you have a headache from the bright lighting.  HC appears to have followed Ronald’s lead for now.  IMO Ronald McDonald is a clown! (Just on man’s opinion, but still…)  We can hope its only temporary, but I know for sure it won’t be if we don’t voice our concerns.  And don’t wait too long or people will find another happy home on the web.  Sure we can be replaced from a purely business perspective, but can we really? 

 

There should be a full investigation of the HC debacle and arrests made!

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Re: Craig, Would you consider moving SSS out of HC?

I like that it no longer takes 30 minutes to load each page...  :smileyhappy:


The only problem I've run into is logging in from a Google Nexus pad - - it just doesn't work. It gives you a 7 digit error number, then the rest of the site is inaccessible.

An additional feature:  If you reply to a post without trying to log in, it doesn't mention the need to log in until AFTER you type in the post!  Nice...


But beyond that, the new forum format seems to work pretty well (as long as you don't use it from a portable device).

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Geoff Grace
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Re: Craig, Would you consider moving SSS out of HC?

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As long as I can read and write posts, I don't care much where this forum resides.

 

Back in the days when MusicPlayer had George Massenburg, Roger Nichols, and Al Kooper—in addition to this forum and the various instrument magazine sponsored ones—I used to forum hop around that site and enjoy the cross-pollination of the community there. And SSS seemed to be the watering hole for that entire diverse group.

 

But these days, the Internet is so fragmented that I just visit my favorite destinations and don't explore their associated sites much. I don't look to Harmony-Central to give me what MusicPlayer did. I don't think there's a community like that now anywhere on the web.

 

Best,

 

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Re: Craig, Would you consider moving SSS out of HC?

What am I missing here? I have a browser bookmark that takes me directly to this forum, I read the forum, I go away. What more is there to do? I don't really see anything "Harmony Central" but the name at the top of the screen, which doesn't bother me. Well, OK, something does bother me. When I've written a message, I intuitively click on the left button to post it, and that's the [CANCEL] button. Fortunately, it gives me a warning rather than just deleting what I've spent time writing.

I'll admit that lately the discussions here haven't interested me very much so I'm in and out in a couple of minutes, but all forums have cycles like that. Sometimes the period of the wave is longer, sometimes it's shorter.

Somebody has to pay for these things. If Craig were to take this forum private, how would he replace the money he makes from running this forum? He might be able to get a good deal on guitar picks, but he needs to feed his family like all the rest of us.


By the way, I might be the one responsible for Harmony Central being what it is today (where's my cut?). When I was running a MIDI BBS in the late 1980s through the '90s, I used to go to NAMM shows and post press releases and show reports on my board. Scott Learman was a student at MIT and running the Harmony Central BBS at the time and we used to swap files. I encouraged him to post the press reviews on his board. He was hesitant, thinking it might be a copy right violation, but did it anyway. He managed to sell off his board for a profit. I closed mine with about $20 in the trasury and a Compaq transportable computer..

 



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techristian
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Re: Craig, Would you consider moving SSS out of HC?

I disagree anout the "look and feel" aspect. It isn't important with a forum, as long as the font is big enough and there is enough contrast. The important thing about a forum is the people and the WORDS.  As to navigation, at first it was a bit like (using the restaurant analogy) "Go through the front door. There are 5 doors on your right. Open the second door. You will then go down the stairs where you will find 3 more doors. The dining room is at the last door."

 

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UstadKhanAli
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Re: Craig, Would you consider moving SSS out of HC?

I suppose I'm just happy that the forum actually works now.  After such a long time of having a barely functioning forum, I freely admit that this may have lowered my expectations. :smileyvery-happy:

At least, to a point.

The most important aspect of a forum are the topics and the people who participate.  And for me, I'm saddened by the lack of participation, with a lot of really good people scared away in the past by stupid or antagonistic posts, and more people scared away when HC stopped working properly.  I think of these things before I think about actual forum "mechanics" and aesthetics.

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Re: Craig, Would you consider moving SSS out of HC?

Yeah, as long as I can sign in, read and post, I`m not sure what the problem is. This was mentioned in another thread a week or two ago, the visitor count is way down, at least thats my impression and I also notice a lot of us old timers are just not participating as much, myself included. Part of the reason for me is that I just don`t have much to add to the conversations. Another part of it is, I`m really trying to limit my silliness and offer "better" posts. Doesn`t always happen... ;D
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bookumdano3
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Re: Craig, Would you consider moving SSS out of HC?


Beck wrote:

UstadKhanAli wrote:

What is it about HC that you don't like?  Is it the new look and function of the forum?  Is it the sort of people who post here?  The lack of traffic to Craig's forum?  The discussions?  Is it something else? 



Right now its the feel and function of the new site.  Its hideous!  Looks amateur like some kind of mom and pop operation using free software. 

EDIT:  Its like a crazy person put this thing together... a disorderly mind.


 

Okay Beck, pipe down.  I fixed it to your liking and here's your personal link to use-
http://wonder-tonic.com/geocitiesizer/content.php?theme=2&music=5&url=http://www.harmonycentral.com/...

 

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UstadKhanAli
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Re: Craig, Would you consider moving SSS out of HC?

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Re: Craig, Would you consider moving SSS out of HC?

The reason I support this is because I think this forum deserves to stand on its own. It's barely noticeable here. It came before HC and HC has made it less valuable
My electronic music project, KHALIL, just released its first EP, "tell Us What Happened" on Thumbs Up Records in Florida. If you are into chill, experimental beat music with keyboards, saxophone and sample manipulation, check it out:

http://khalilduo.bandcamp.com/

Piano Interperetation of Fleedwood Mac's "Landslide" --

https://soundcloud.com/ryan7585/landslide
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