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[bob-ingram]

Originally posted by Zeppelinfool420
Yeah i have a question, I went there(drove 4 hours from MA). How did you try 10 of them?. When i was there, i wanted to look at a few so i had a choice because they only had one hanging up and i didn't like the way the flametop was. So I asked if i could look at other ones. And the guy brought out one and then i said yeah i liked it but i wanted to look at other ones so i had a choice and the guy gave me a load of crap about how nobody wanted an open guitar, when they wouldnt be able to tell anyway. Oh well i still got one but i still would have liked to look at a few more so i had a better choice. Oh well i guess its because im 14 or something, being a kid sucks.

They had about 7-8 hanging up and I asked the salesman to being me out some others. Cash in hand gets lots of sales attention.

I just said, "I can't decide between the single cut and the double cut, can I see some more?". He said. "Are you buying today?" I said "yes". Vahilia, there were 2 more for me to try.

[bob-ingram]

Originally posted by Zeppelinfool420
Oh well i guess its because im 14 or something, being a kid sucks.

Bring your Dad or Uncle or someone to show the cash!. :rolleyes:

[Burgess]

Bob,

Are the LP and DC necks maple or mahogany? The Rondo website says maple but the pic you posted I would've thought was mahogany.

I've got a real weakness for mahogany.

Thanks.
Burgess

[bob-ingram]

Originally posted by Burgess
Bob,

Are the LP and DC necks maple or mahogany? The Rondo website says maple but the pic you posted I would've thought was mahogany.

I've got a real weakness for mahogany.

Thanks.
Burgess

I didn't read the web site, it's gotta be mahogany, the grain doesn't look at all like Maple. Only the cap is maple.

Yea, I really like mahogany guitars too. SG's and Les Pauls are my favorites, PRS and Strats next.

[mensa_reject]

i totally think i'm gonna bite.

i've been looking for an electric (my first!), and these are totally right in my price range and from what everyone has said here seem to be phenomenal.

how're the other copies? not just the LP but the Strat and SG?

[Burgess]

Thanks Bob!

That makes them even more appealing in my book.

GAS, just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in!

[StratKat]

Originally posted by kurtzentmaier
Strat Kat – It’s good to see you back again. I hope things are going well for you. We have tried to correct many of problems and make improvements as per your suggestions to your early 2001 and 2002 Agile models. Thanks to you and the comments from others on this forum I know what direction I should be taking these guitars. Let me know when you have more time for me. I can always use your comments.

Kurt
Rondo Music

Hi Kurt,

well, right now my life is in a turmoil. I moved into the folks house while my dad was in the hospital so i packed up all the gear and stored it. Then when he was comming home i had to move back into an apartment again because there wasnt enough room with all the equipment for his needs and mom wanted him in the bedroom i was occupying. So im back in my apt with no gear for awhile. I think i will have to move back into the house in a week or so when things get bad. Dad is home now but its just a matter of time....

Once things get back to normal i'll be in touch and we can see what is new for testing or old models in new runs. Hope you and your new baby had a great christmas! Say hi to the Mrs!...

[PrimeMover]

Originally posted by mensa_reject
i totally think i'm gonna bite.

i've been looking for an electric (my first!), and these are totally right in my price range and from what everyone has said here seem to be phenomenal.

how're the other copies? not just the LP but the Strat and SG?

Well, I'll be... look at that, it's a set-neck Essex SG...made of mahogany... not like it's the quality of an Agile, but it does look nice for $170.

[myles loud]

here's one for the lefty's at 199.00 plus shipping from rondo, on ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2384&item=933959347 here's a righty. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2384&item=934741029 in calf. $165.00 buys it now. these are double cutaways, with only one volume one tone knob, but 2 humbuckers. rosewood fret board, maple back of the neck. myles loud

[myles loud]

oh btw,
i have an essex lefty tele in butterscotch and i love that guitar. it feels fantastic, alder body, maple neck, about $110.00 from rondo on ebay auction brand new. myles loud

[myles loud]

here's one in black pearl, it's a lespaul, $259.00. from rondo on ebay, take a look, and then click on view sellers other auctions to see what else they have up for bid. myles loud http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2384&item=933954684

[Axeslinger]

Originally posted by Burgess
Thanks Bob!

That makes them even more appealing in my book.

GAS, just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in!

Burgess,

Not to make it any harder on ya but you know I had a Raven RP300 and the LP2000 I have now is clearly a few notches above the Raven and I thought the Raven was a decent LP knockoff
I never really bonded with the Raven if ya know what I mean, no such problem with my Agile

[Burgess]

Originally posted by Axeslinger


Burgess,

Not to make it any harder on ya but you know I had a Raven RP300 and the LP2000 I have now is clearly a few notches above the Raven and I thought the Raven was a decent LP knockoff
I never really bonded with the Raven if ya know what I mean, no such problem with my Agile

You guys are cruel!

I might have just gotten lucky with my RP300 but I knew it was gonna be good right out of the box. Then again, I've got a Samick PRS knockoff, same thing so go figure?

I'll probably bite. I had a plan/budget for two LP Studios some time this year. A Coppertop, and a Wine Red with gold hardware. Now I'm thinking I'll just go with the Coppertop and a few Agiles.

Bob's DC Agile looks like it might be a nice blues machine. That Red Flame LP2K would kill with gold hardware, wonder if Kurt would make me a deal... The Amber Flame LP2K just belongs on my wall.

The Washburn knockoff looks interesting but it's curious that MF's selling the unquilted Washburns $140. Funny thing is, the Agile actually looks like a better axe. Agile, mahogany. Washburn, alder. I like alder but the AVT150 loves mahogany.

Wonder if Kurt will give me a package deal... Wonder where I'm gonna find four more wall hangers... Wonder what kind of jewelry it's gonna take to keep my wife quiet for this one...

Looks like I better get to work. There are some guitars with my name on 'em!

Have a great day guys! Later!

[Xprmntl Gtr]

Originally posted by Burgess

You guys are cruel!

I might have just gotten lucky with my RP300 but I knew it was gonna be good right out of the box. Then again, I've got a Samick PRS knockoff, same thing so go figure?

I'll probably bite. I had a plan/budget for two LP Studios some time this year. A Coppertop, and a Wine Red with gold hardware. Now I'm thinking I'll just go with the Coppertop and a few Agiles.

so you own a samick knockoff but will go for the agile ?
What about the Greg Bennett line of LP vs the agile?
Heres the thread that got me wondering about that.
http://acapella.harmony-central.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=178384

[t2mikeman]

Hey this is a message for kurt. Will agile be making anything in a a 25.5 inch scale? I like the guitars but they are all 24.7inch, even the wolfgang copy. It relaly makes ahuge difference in the way the guitars feels plays and sounds (everyone thinks the mahogany is why les pauls sound so thick, its not! its the scale! I have an all maple godin with a 24.7 in scale that sounds as thick as any les paul). Even tho i have small hands, somehow the bigger scale is actually EASIER to play.
You have some in that scale, but only essex's, will agile be making any in 25.5? Can you ask them too? IF the wolfgang/washburn copy had a 25.5 inch scale that would be awesome..
~mike~

[dinamo72]

How do you owners compare the Agile LP to:

1) Epiphone Standard LP
2) Gibson LP Faded/Special
3) Gibson LP Studio

[bob-ingram]

Originally posted by dinamo72
How do you owners compare the Agile LP to:

1) Epiphone Standard LP
2) Gibson LP Faded/Special
3) Gibson LP Studio

I can't say that I've played all of these. I have played the Epi's, and a few Studio's, I've played a Faded SG.

IMO. the Agile's are more consistant. I found pretty dramatic inconsistancies in the Epi's. Come were great some were only fair. The Gibby's were more consistant, but I didn't really see a better quality between the Agile's and the Gibby's.

The Agile is still pretty new, it'll take a few months before I have a true feel for it, but so far it's great.

[Xprmntl Gtr]

so really everyone is excited about a Samick product when it all boils down to it right?
Agile - Epi - Greg Bennett = Samick, does samick then have different quality control people that work differant shifts depending what is being machine made at the time and for who?

[PrimeMover]

Originally posted by Xprmntl Gtr
so really everyone is excited about a Samick product when it all boils down to it right?
Agile - Epi - Greg Bennett = Samick, does samick then have different quality control people that work differant shifts depending what is being machine made at the time and for who?

Well... if, in fact, this came out of a Samick factory, then yes... I am exited about a Samick product.

With regard to quality control and how the factory handles it's personel, I haven't the slightest idea....but...if it's a manufacturing facility that's anything like the one's over here, the entire job of guitars is likely split into a number of batches...and the batches are usually of a set size, irregardless of whether it's an EPI or an Agile.

The question may boil down to run size. I wouldn't be surprised if an entire run of EPI instruments is way bigger and takes much longer than a run of Agile instuments...I think it likely though, that keeping tabs on the overall quality on a run of 100 instruments is much easier than with a run of 1000.

It's also possible that due to the sheer number of instruments that need to be produced for EPI calls for larger batch sizes...which can effect quality.

[bob-ingram]

Originally posted by PrimeMover
The question may boil down to run size. I wouldn't be surprised if an entire run of EPI instruments is way bigger and takes much longer than a run of Agile instuments...I think it likely though, that keeping tabs on the overall quality on a run of 100 instruments is much easier than with a run of 1000.

It's also possible that due to the sheer number of instruments that need to be produced for EPI calls for larger batch sizes...which can effect quality.

This is true, but it also boils down to the scrutiny of the customer, in this case Rondo music. Since they are small, they can examine more of a percentage of the stock than a bigger company. If they're unhappy with the quality of the instruments, they'll simply return them and buy from another vendor.