09-16-2007 05:47 PM
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The comments in this post are solely my own and are based on my observations only. Others that were present may see things differently.
We chose to take the least expensive cable in the test (15' Whirlwind Leader - ~$15) and put it up against the most expensive (12' van den Hul Integration Hybrid - ~$180) to begin with.
T. Alan was the designated player using his MarkBass/Bergantino combo. I was the initial cable switcher. Kindness relieved me after numerous cable changes.
We did an A/B/X test. Listeners were told what Cable A was. A bassline was played. Listeners were told what Cable B was. The same bassline was played. I then randomly swapped the cables and asked those present if Cable X was Cable A or Cable B when the bassline was repeated for a third time. We did five plus iterations with only one person being able to tell the difference with better than guessing (50%) accuracy. That person was Sarabella. She was perfect all day. When asked which cable she preferred out of the Whirlwind and the van den Hul, her choice was the Whirlwind.
T. Alan thought he could tell the difference, but when having to choose blind could not tell the difference.
We tried the speaker cables as well. We only tested two while I was there: 18" Cardas Crosslink and an 18" EWI. I'm not sure of the cost difference since neither Lavaman's site nor Audiopile's site list the prices for an 18" cable. The shortest Crosslink cable on the Lavaman site is ~$33 for 1 foot. Audiopile's site lists a 5ft for $12.50. The consensus was that there was no difference between the cables.
There was some other testing of cables while I was there (including the Zaolla, the Tweed Lava, EWI, and Bayou), but I heard no difference from any of them. To me, quality of construction, price, and cable flexibility are the important factors for me as I heard no audible difference between any of these cables.
I wanted to hear a difference but just didn't. I wasn't certain about the "snake oil" comments that I read in the other thread here. I'm certain now. Having heard the cables, I'll give my money to Bayou, Audiopile and even the "cheap" lifetime warranty Monster cables (S-100 I think they're called). The van den Hul was way too stuff for me and would drive me crazy on stage.
If folks want to drop $100 - $200 for instrument cables, that's their business. I think most people that spend that kind of money hear differences because they think they should. If they did an A/B/X test, my guess is that they couldn't tell the difference.
Many thanks to Lavaman, Bayou, Audiopile, Burdizzos and others for supplying the cables. I give Lavaman much credit for putting his money where his mouth is. While I now don't agree that there's a difference in sound quality, I give him credit for sending us the cables to test. Kindness will be sending your cables back to you.
09-16-2007 06:49 PM
so I question your testing methods and bias prior to testing (you were all clearly biased against hearing a difference and your results are no surprise to me).
09-16-2007 06:55 PM
09-16-2007 06:56 PM
09-16-2007 06:58 PM
I'll tell you why I'd use it, it's dead sexy. :love:
09-16-2007 07:02 PM
Our testing methods were rock solid. Bias is bias and it exists in everyone that was there today. I know I was biased towards not hearing differences and my biases were supported. I know others were biased the other direction and even thought they were hearing differences, but their biases were not supported. Even when he failed to correctly identify cables blindly, T. Alan still talked about them as being different. That's a real strong bias towards hearing differences. I don't know what sarabella thought coming in, but she heard a difference and correctly identified every single cable. I can't argue with that. It confuses the hell out of me and if she is good natured enough to put up with some more testing, I'd love to replicate the test and watch her do it again. It is amazing to me based on what I was and wasn't hearing. However, I have given sarabella a number of lessons and I can confirm her ear for pitch is incredible, well developed beyond her experience. It wouldn't surprise me if she hears things most people don't.
I question your testing methods and bias prior to testing (you were all clearly biased against hearing a difference and your results are no surprise to me).
09-16-2007 07:05 PM
09-16-2007 07:10 PM
Maybe a double-blind test next time?
09-16-2007 07:14 PM
As I have had a an informal loaner program for a couple of years now and have sent sets of of 3-5 cables to numerous guitarists and bass players and they ALWAYS had a preference and returned the cable they did not like as much...
09-16-2007 07:32 PM
09-16-2007 07:51 PM
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09-16-2007 07:56 PM
The testing confirmed a lot for me. Sure, I stand by my feeling that I was hearing differences. Those differences were SO fudgin' SLIGHT tho!
09-16-2007 08:04 PM
They were so slight that in blind tests, you couldn't tell regardless of what you thought you heard. When you guessed, you were wrong.
I remember you posting in years past about using Monster Cables because they "inspired" you. I'm wondering if you're still inspired.
You did a great job playing as usual...
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