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Originally Posted by Steadfastly
I think to some degree how and where you "age out" is artist specific and depends on what the artist does over time. The deaths of Patsy Cline or Hank Williams probably made it easier for people "lock in" on their work as classic.
Compare them to, say Neil Young, and his early work and then his weird 1980's stuff with vocoders. I can see people walking away from his 1980s stuff.
Like finger prints I think everyone's musical taste is unique.
Originally Posted by toddkuen
Just an aside...Pretty freaky. Considering the fact that I use a vocoder live this isn't completely computing for me. For instance it's obvious that Neil is vocoding the signal he sings but the keyboard player (or someone off stage is controlling the pitch)... and during the bridge at 3:00 perhaps someone else is vocoding in unison... yet the note holds at the end of the bridge while Neil jumps back into the chorus again. The whole performance is strange yet I'm really curious how they pulled it off live... especially since Neil is moving all over the stage and they don't have an ounce of feedback/gain issues.
Could good ole' Neil be lip syncing that performance.
Originally Posted by New Trail
My girlfriend and I have been trying to find a club/bar/venue that caters to the music we grew up loving: industrial/industrial-metal/goth. Bands like Skinny Puppy, Nitzer Ebb, Ministry, Front 242, (old) Nine Inch Nails, Sisters of Mercy, Siouxsie and the Banshees, Fields of the Nephilim, Mission UK, etc...
We've come to the same conclusion. People that really, really like that music (and most of us still do!) are just too... old to go out and drink and dance et cetera. Most of them have jobs, kids, mortgages... and the new crowd just isn't the same. It's not the same kid of music, even if you go to a "goth" or "industrial" club... the genres have moved on, and no one plays the "old-guard" stuff anymore.
I never thought it'd happen, but I've been "aged-out".
Originally Posted by turnip
Man, this.
My girlfriend and I have been trying to find a club/bar/venue that caters to the music we grew up loving: industrial/industrial-metal/goth. Bands like Skinny Puppy, Nitzer Ebb, Ministry, Front 242, (old) Nine Inch Nails, Sisters of Mercy, Siouxsie and the Banshees, Fields of the Nephilim, Mission UK, etc...
We've come to the same conclusion. People that really, really like that music (and most of us still do!) are just too... old to go out and drink and dance et cetera. Most of them have jobs, kids, mortgages... and the new crowd just isn't the same. It's not the same kid of music, even if you go to a "goth" or "industrial" club... the genres have moved on, and no one plays the "old-guard" stuff anymore.
I never thought it'd happen, but I've been "aged-out".
My girlfriend and I have been trying to find a club/bar/venue that caters to the music we grew up loving: industrial/industrial-metal/goth. Bands like Skinny Puppy, Nitzer Ebb, Ministry, Front 242, (old) Nine Inch Nails, Sisters of Mercy, Siouxsie and the Banshees, Fields of the Nephilim, Mission UK, etc...
We've come to the same conclusion. People that really, really like that music (and most of us still do!) are just too... old to go out and drink and dance et cetera. Most of them have jobs, kids, mortgages... and the new crowd just isn't the same. It's not the same kid of music, even if you go to a "goth" or "industrial" club... the genres have moved on, and no one plays the "old-guard" stuff anymore.
I never thought it'd happen, but I've been "aged-out".
You're welcome.
Originally Posted by kmart
The only issue is that from what I've read on line is that these days Neo suffers from the same "Metropolis Records-infection" that every other industrial club we've been to (even the "famous" City Club in Detroit) does. I'm not driving 3 hours to listen to Combichrist and Faderhead.
The music is different now. It's much more trance-influenced, and isn't as hard, edgy, organic, or raw sounding. I'm not going to go into whether or not it sounds "better" or "worse" (that's an old fogey trap
) but it certainly is different, and not what the girl and I love. It is much safer sounding, and the clubs are safer, and everything is less exciting.
Well you can't just go on any old night, that's for sure. But keep an eye on their calendar, maybe FB page. The have regular nights dedicated to exactly the goth-industrial you like from the era you love, and that's what you'll hear all night.
Plenty of people who were involved in that scene here are still around, and they gather in the same few places.
I think for what you're after, you're not going to find it in smaller locales...you just have to look to larger cities where enough of those (us) old fogeys are still around.
Plenty of people who were involved in that scene here are still around, and they gather in the same few places.
I think for what you're after, you're not going to find it in smaller locales...you just have to look to larger cities where enough of those (us) old fogeys are still around.
Originally Posted by kmart
I take it you're in that area?
The last two times we went to Chicago we planned on hitting Neo. The first time we were just completely wiped out (had been a long day) and the second time was with my younger brother and his wife, visiting up from Texas. They are both more than a little... stiff and stodgy... it would have been interesting to say the least.
Needless to say, we ended up deciding against taking them to Neo.
Originally Posted by turnip
The last two times we went to Chicago we planned on hitting Neo. The first time we were just completely wiped out (had been a long day) and the second time was with my younger brother and his wife, visiting up from Texas. They are both more than a little... stiff and stodgy... it would have been interesting to say the least. Needless to say, we ended up deciding against taking them to Neo.
Needless to say, we ended up deciding against taking them to Neo.
Originally Posted by guido61
Yeah, that pretty much defines "aging out" and why scenes for older types of music are virtually non-existant. When we're younger, there's ALWAYS enough energy left to go out clubbing. My wife and I often talk about going out and doing stuff, only to decide around about 8:30 or so that just staying home and watching TV sounds so much better.
Originally Posted by guido61
Yeah, that pretty much defines "aging out" and why scenes for older types of music are virtually non-existant. When we're younger, there's ALWAYS enough energy left to go out clubbing. My wife and I often talk about going out and doing stuff, only to decide around about 8:30 or so that just staying home and watching TV sounds so much better.
We joke about it all the time, but in reality, unless we designate an evening and the next day as a "going out" night, we have a "bedtime" of 10:30p. By the time 8p or so rolls around, we're in pj's snuggled up on the couch with the cats/dogs, some chamomile tea, and DVD episodes of the X-Files. 
We've gotten old. I know that all our peers are the same way, too. It is just frustrating when we do get out, and there doesn't seem to be a place for us. It's all part of getting old, I know; it's just that you never think it'll happen to you.
Also, and this is totally not-quite-so-related, but it seems that the younger generation just isn't... angry or frustrated like we (or our older siblings/parents/etc.) were. I remember feeling a huge sense of frustration, disenfranchisement, anger, et cetera as a teen/early 20-something man. I saw it (second-hand) in the early generations, too: the punk/industrial revolution of the late 70's, the New/No Wave and Noise Rock/PigFuck generation of the 80's and early 90's... these were dangerous, aggressive, confrontational music scenes.
I remember going to local shows with crust/grind/metal bands and it being scary. Crazy shit went on at those gigs. The kids were lashing out at a world that didn't seem to want/care/know about them, and it came through in the music. I just don't see/feel that in much "new" music... it is almost like a swing back toward the "manufactured" and over-blown music of the mid-70's and 80's hair scenes is back. A lot of filler and show, no substance and meat.
It seems from talking to younger people that there is a sense of entitlement and complacency that my peers just didn't feel. As a first-time college professor this past semester, I saw some of this first-hand: a lot of the kids simply expect good grades, without doing anything to get them, and then are seriously confused when they don't have everything handed to them on a silver platter. But they don't get angry... they are just confused.
It's like that scene from "Zoolander":
J.P. Prewitt: "Male models don't think for themselves."
Derek Zoolander: "That's not true!"
J.P. Prewitt: "Yes it is, Derek."
Derek Zoolander: [meekly] "Okay."
That's how I feel kids are these days, and that's how the music sounds. Combichrist doesn't sound dangerous. It sounds like Paul Oakenfold with the vox and 909/808 run through a virtual fuzz box (not even a real fuzz box).
/rant
I'll just go and yell at kids on my lawn now.
Originally Posted by TIMKEYS
But that's a choice I made early on in life. I specifically chose to do the rock band thing, not get married, not have kids, not settle down until I nearly 40 because I wanted to get all that stuff out of system when I was younger as much as possible. I knew I'd basically be trading those 20 years for another 20 years down the road, but I'm cool with that. I see some of my friends whose kids are now out of the house and think that looks nice, but then I think back on them being tied down to the job and the house when they were 25 while I was out having the time of my life and I know they missed out on much more than I will in the future.
50 is the new 40, right? As long as the health holds out, I can still do the retirement cruises and early bird specials when I'm in my 70s.
Originally Posted by turnip
So yeah, this generation is a bit more relaxed than some in the past. I see some of the 'entitled' kids you talk about, but I see some really, really good ones too. But my guess is that when the 'entitled' generation starts raising their own kids, they'll see the mistakes their parents made and raise their own differently.
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