06-05-2011 11:07 AM
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06-05-2011 12:58 PM
Huh... maybe something unforseen had happened... did you talk to the owner about it, or try to dig deeper?
Otherwise I agree that it's strange. Put two go-go dancers up there FFS if you just want extra bodies on the stage...
06-05-2011 04:02 PM
06-05-2011 04:15 PM
06-05-2011 04:18 PM
06-05-2011 05:15 PM
Yes I spoke to the owner and yes this is their MO. The owner doesn't care because the crowd seems to like it.
Huh... maybe something unforseen had happened... did you talk to the owner about it, or try to dig deeper? Otherwise I agree that it's strange. Put two go-go dancers up there FFS if you just want extra bodies on the stage...
06-05-2011 05:37 PM
06-05-2011 05:47 PM
06-05-2011 05:52 PM
06-05-2011 05:57 PM
Another way to put it:
Go up to some girl who is dancing and digging the shit out of some band using tracks and try to dissuade her that the band isn't as good as she thinks they are because they use tracks. See how far you get.
OTHO, if some girl comes up and tells you the band sucks and you reply "well, they play to tracks", she'll probably say "Oh...so THAT explains it...."
06-05-2011 06:04 PM
You're absolutely right... but most bands aren't able to sell it. Bands in my area have to rely on followings... these people come out every weekend to watch you perform and have a good time (the clubs aren't filled with people) so thy tend to notice the little things... like backing vocals when people aren't singing... large sequenced production when there is only three instruments on stage. I'm just saying that people aren't as clueless as we let ourselves believe. There is still a visual element to a band performing music. When a backing track is "in the background" there's no denying that it can be a helpful to production. But when that backing track is in the forefront... the presentation is being led by the track, then things seem less organic. People may dance in the moment... the question is will they follow after the show. In my experience these bands aren't turning people away, but they certainlying aren't gaining new followings. To me they are just getting by.
06-05-2011 06:18 PM
06-05-2011 06:34 PM
And plenty of bands use dummy cabs for guitars & bass. It's all a SHOW. That bothers some people; clearly, it doesn't bother most/all.
BECAUSE NEITHER OF THEM WAS EVEN PLUGGED IN!!!
06-05-2011 06:41 PM
I'm certainly no big fan of using tracks. Although I must admit I DO think about it from time to time. My first choice would be to add a 2nd keyboard player/percussionist (and if she can sing and is hot, all the better ;-).....), but sans that....I'd consider adding some tracks for extra keys and percussion parts.
But as far as "most bands aren't able to sell it"? I believe that. But that's because I don't think "most" bands are able to sell ANYTHING. Not to be harsh, but the majority of full LIVE bands suck eggs. I wouldn't expect tracked bands to be any better. As a musician, is it dissapointing for me to see a band playing to tracks? Absolutely. But I really don't think the audience cares UNLESS the band sucks.
Which they most likely would anyway.
06-05-2011 06:56 PM
In the cases I've witnessed it's not a case of bad musicians trying to make the show/production better... it's a good or decent band that is trying to get by doing something that they are not. Like a four or five piece guitar band retooling themselves as an electrified synth pop band using pre-recorded synth tracks and nary a keyboard on stage. In these cases bands are pretty much playing karaokee... because the little bit of guitar they are playing over the track isn't even necessary to deliver the song... everything of the pre-recorded track is. I've seen two local bands with respectable musicians, add in highly produced tracks with pretty tepid results. This isn't a case where they are playing an arena and people can't see the the iPod next to the guitar amp? These bands are also full of area veterans who are still trying to maintain a certain image associated with being a musician in a rock band. All I can say it must have been a hard pill to swallow to say I'll turn 'down' my amp and mimic playing to this Enrique Inglesies tune. That must burn a hole straight down to their tribal tat! One guy with a pretty big 'chip' saw me in the crowd and looked away as if in 'shame'. LOL I love it. You know I will rub that in the next time I see him out and about.
You know we play with two keys players. That's pretty much by design now. We use backing tracks that we've created on 3-4 songs... it's something that compliments our performance. It's also a few Beastie Boys songs where playing live music would never be expected. But we could do the whole night with just one keyboard player (he already does it a few times a month solo) and the consensus from the band and people who watch the show that it 'sounds' empty with just one keyboard player. We could eliminate both keyboard players and save some real money and just use backing tracks to fill the space. But then we would be truly chained to that 'click', and once you reach that point you are no longer really in control of your performance. My guess is we wouldn't deliver the same show that people have come to expect and the following would drop off... and eventually so would the pay.
06-05-2011 09:08 PM
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