09-25-2009 06:05 PM
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09-26-2009 09:30 AM
Geeeeesh, some of you guys are bitter.
Y'know, I'm 46 and I'm still idealistic, and sometimes my band even still goes on road trips where we eat fast food and crash on people's floors. We have a good time and we're making the music we want to make. Certainly if these kids want to go have an adventure, at their age, hey - maybe it's not something YOU would do all the time but why denigrate anyone else who wants to do it? :confused:
09-26-2009 09:34 AM
09-26-2009 09:35 AM
I don't read the comments that this thread has generated as being bitter. To the contrary - I suspect that most of the respondents are laughing (in many cases - at themselves) as they type. Anybody's who has paid the bills as a bar musician has lived the life embodied in many of the responses (the crash on the floor, the 89 cent burrito and water meals, the hours in the van living out of duffle bag stuff) and likely had a ball do it when they first started out. We probably even talked about their goals in terms like the OP used - like being a REAL band, REAL songwriting, BIG ____ .... and living "the dream". And like the OP - while we talked about our dreams of the REAL thing - we were so inexperienced we didn't know that the REAL thing was. It's not bitterness Lee - we're just laughing. Laughing at the folly of youth and inexperience - and at ourselves.
Geeeeesh, some of you guys are bitter.
09-26-2009 09:43 AM
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09-26-2009 09:51 AM
There are lots of young people in the world who want to make music. And yes they have a similar attitude - good for them! They'll need it.
I'm not bitter, but after reading what seems like a thousand recent examples of youthful exuberance, it starts to sound like a broken record.
Haha... exactly, it may be unlikely, but you can't win at all if you don't buy a ticket. However, unlike the lottery, "making it" isn't just win all/lose all. There are lots of variations on "making it" and if it's really the music that is important to you, you can find a way to live "the dream." If what's important is getting rich, getting laid and slacking off by being a musician, well, yeah, you'll probably end up bitter. :lol:
At the opposite end of the spectrum are the posts from those who are thinking about hanging it up. Taken together, it all adds up to the realization that "making it" is about as likely as winning the lottery. ...now, where'd I put that Powerball ticket?
09-26-2009 10:25 AM
09-26-2009 11:23 AM
09-26-2009 11:26 AM
Lee - I don't think anybody (especially not I!) is laughing what goals the author of the Craig's list post included in his add. As a former national cycling champion, a college graduate, a bank vice president who at 53 is still playing ice hockey 3 nights a week and gigging with 3 different music projects - I can totally understand your comments regarding idealism, commitment and perserverance - and agree with you 100%. If I was laughing at the what the Craig's list poster said - you'd be dead nutz on. But, that's not the case. I'm laughing at how the Craig's list poster said it. When an 18 year old (who assumedly has been living with Mom and Dad - on Mom and Dad's dime) declares a love and want of a lifestyle he's never lived with the passion embodied in the Craig's list add - I think it's pretty normal for those of us who HAVE travelled that path to enjoy a bit of a chuckle. Leaping before looking IS part of the folly of youth - as well as something that gives gisled old farts like me a chuckle when we see somebody else getting ready to take a plunge.
I dunno Space - that still seems bitter to me. I guess I don't think the attitude expressed in the OP is "folly". It's the kind of attitude you need to succeed if you're going to - and if you don't succeed on the terms you originally envisioned, I still don't think it should be considered laughable or a failure. I still believe in being in a REAL band (which I am), REAL songwriting (which we always strive for), BIG sound, etc. And I still feel I am living "the dream" even if that dream is not being world famous or anything. I don't think those goals are silly or laughable or something only inexperienced people would want. I don't really see the point of being in a band if you're not going to be excited and idealistic about it, because it's a lot of work. And if your priorities change as you get older and other things become more important/motivating than your band, that's fine - to me, life is all about keeping your edge and continuing to find things you can be excited about and committed to. Whether it's your band or something else. But no matter what you do in life, that sense of idealism and commitment is not an attitude to be laughed at or abandoned just because you take some hard knocks.
09-26-2009 11:51 AM
09-26-2009 04:17 PM
But that's what I'm saying - I think that's great! I think you guys are forgetting what it was REALLY like to be 18. All you want is to get out of your parents' house, become your own person (whoever that may be) and see as much of the world as you can, and you don't CARE if you end up riding around in a shitty broken down van and sharing a bag of pretzels and a microwave burrito between you. You don't care because you're too caught up in what you're doing. And I don't think that's folly at all - I think it's exactly what people should be doing at that age. Wander the world! Do crazy shit! Test your mettle! Make the best music you can, if music is your bag, and the best friends you can, with all the passion you can muster. What's foolish or laughable about that? Did I get tired of living that kind of life after a couple of years? Sure! But I wouldn't trade those experiences for anything, and I certainly don't look back now and think I was foolish for having done it. So you're 18 and you live like that for a couple of years and decide it's not for you - you can still then go to college or do an internship or whatever else you decide to do with your life. I think that's smarter than going to college straight out of high school, having no clue why you are there, wishing you were out wandering the world with your friends and then starting out life in a mountain of debt. :idk: That's fine if you DO know what you want at 18 (besides to get out of your parents' house and see the world and be passionate). But an awful lot of people don't.
I'm laughing at how the Craig's list poster said it. When an 18 year old (who assumedly has been living with Mom and Dad - on Mom and Dad's dime) declares a love and want of a lifestyle he's never lived with the passion embodied in the Craig's list add - I think it's pretty normal for those of us who HAVE travelled that path to enjoy a bit of a chuckle. Leaping before looking IS part of the folly of youth - as well as something that gives gisled old farts like me a chuckle when we see somebody else getting ready to take a plunge.
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