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Re: So how do I get my money back from Carl Zwengel?

Wow. That really sucks, I hope it works out for you.
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Re: So how do I get my money back from Carl Zwengel?

So I filed a claim with the FBI internet tonight. I will mail my complaint to the Illinois Attorney General's office tomorrow. The Better Business Bureau I'm not so sure of, or the Princeton PD.

So other than getting a lawyer, am I just waiting now, or are there more people I can rustle up to get after this guy?
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Re: So how do I get my money back from Carl Zwengel?

Originally posted by Grubgoat


So other than getting a lawyer, am I just waiting now, or are there more people I can rustle up to get after this guy?


The Better Business Bureau and the Princeton PD.
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Re: So how do I get my money back from Carl Zwengel?

You need to have your lawyer send him a little letter. If you honestly think the FBI or cops will do anything about this, you're dreaming. You're other option is to drive to this guy's home town, find him, and have a little "meeting" with him.

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Re: So how do I get my money back from Carl Zwengel?

not true, I know several guys who've gotten local authorities to go right to someone's doorstep......
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Re: So how do I get my money back from Carl Zwengel?

Originally posted by DiezelDude
not true, I know several guys who've gotten local authorities to go right to someone's doorstep......


Local authorities cannot do jack! What do you think they will say? "Uhhh...this guy called us and told us to make you give him his money back!" No. Carl can slam the door in thier face and they can't do a damn thing. A judge has to review all the information in the case, and then decide if Carl commited a crime. So it has to be brought to small claims court, and the way to do this is through a lawyer.

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Re: So how do I get my money back from Carl Zwengel?

Talk to PRSAholic on the Gear Page. He's a former cop, he knows what to do.

OK, Overdriven, then I guess the guy that handed the local police the money for an ADA MP1 that he never shipped was just a dream.

I'm not saying the local cops will solve every situation, but they often are persuasive enough to scare an otherwise 'reluctant shipper' into making it happen.
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Re: So how do I get my money back from Carl Zwengel?

Originally posted by DiezelDude
Talk to PRSAholic on the Gear Page. He's a former cop, he knows what to do.

OK, Overdriven, then I guess the guy that handed the local police the money for an ADA MP1 that he never shipped was just a dream.

I'm not saying the local cops will solve every situation, but they often are persuasive enough to scare an otherwise 'reluctant shipper' into making it happen.


I'm pretty sure that Mark Greco is facing time due to the intervention of local police (and perhaps federal as well).
Just because it ends in "s", it doesn't mean that you have to use a fucking apostrophe.
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Re: So how do I get my money back from Carl Zwengel?

Another Net acquaintance managed to get a guy thrown in jail for 18 months, using local authorities and other methods.
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Re: So how do I get my money back from Carl Zwengel?

Originally posted by OverDriven


Local authorities cannot do jack! What do you think they will say? "Uhhh...this guy called us and told us to make you give him his money back!" No. Carl can slam the door in thier face and they can't do a damn thing. A judge has to review all the information in the case, and then decide if Carl commited a crime. So it has to be brought to small claims court, and the way to do this is through a lawyer.

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Re: So how do I get my money back from Carl Zwengel?

I guess a lawyer it is (I, too, imagine the FBI is a little busy, but it was worth a shot. Plus, I'm done calling him, so if Carl doesn't think I'm serious, he can see that I'm gonna follow through with this by reading this thread...)

I just got a PM from someone claiming to have been waiting 1 1/2 years for an amp from Carl.
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Re: So how do I get my money back from Carl Zwengel?

Keep updating us about this. I hope you nail this bastard.
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Re: So how do I get my money back from Carl Zwengel?

You know...it's sad really. The dumb fuck blew any shread of credibility he ever had (which wasn't much to begin with) and shit all over the people who believed in him and wanted to help him.
Nice going Carl. :smileysad:
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Re: So how do I get my money back from Carl Zwengel?

Dude, take him to Judge Judy! :smileyvery-happy:
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Re: So how do I get my money back from Carl Zwengel?

Judge Judy would be a last resort, I think...

Carl PM'ed me, said I had a full refund coming via certified mail. I work midnights, so I was asleep today when USPS did indeed try to deliver a certified mail envelope. We'll see where this ends up...
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Re: So how do I get my money back from Carl Zwengel?

ctrl+f "sue"

WTF. why hasn't someone suggested suing the guy yet?
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Re: So how do I get my money back from Carl Zwengel?

speaking of marc greco... what ever happened to him? does he have a new cellmate/boyfriend yet? :smileyvery-happy:

hopefully your money is in that envelope.
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Re: So how do I get my money back from Carl Zwengel?

Here's a freaky side story:

I turned on my Zwengel Banshee 50 to do a little recording a few minutes ago, and when I flipped the standby switch, one of the power tubes literally started arcing and lighting up like a lightbulb. I could hear the current draw - ZZZZAPPP! and now my bedroom smells like something burning.

I've never had an amp do that before.

I imagine that the tube has just gone bad (damnit I hope) cause the amp has always been pretty solid, but it gave me the creeps no less... BAD omen...

EDIT: Yep, bad tube. Still, creepy vibes, man...
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Re: So how do I get my money back from Carl Zwengel?

Originally posted by Grubgoat
Back when Lenduffy was trashing this guy, I was the *only* person here standing up for Carl Zwengel.

So what's my next step? I can call the Princeton Ill. police dept.,


......Hey Grubgoat...sent ya a "pm"......I'm "here" so get back to me.


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Re: So how do I get my money back from Carl Zwengel?

Originally posted by Grubgoat
Well, and I'm also trying to offer him an easier out. He claims to be broke. I doubt he's gonna want to give me $1600. But I'd bet he's got a couple amps sitting around. I may lose money, but at least I can save *a little* face and be done with this whole thing. But no, I'd never bother to go to him for warranty work, etc.

And yes, I'd rather have my money back.


I've followed this thread up to here.

The amp business is a tough business...

You often cut the budget, your personal budget real close, and put all your money into the amps in hopes you'll get a return that will allow you to balance your books before too late, before the mortgage and or income tax is due and stuff like that...

Ampmakers don't get big grants to build amps.....maybe a small business loan...rich wives or parents is the key to success on a small business....if you don't have that, you are often riding a leaky boat on the sea of chances...

I'd hope he has an amp to send you......who knows why he's been screwy, maybe his personal explanation to you in the e-mails, whatever that may have been, is the truth....or maybe he's f'ing up........??
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