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Re: AxeFX Going Software. I LOVE IT.

Hardware locks and dongles have not prevented the theft of MUCH more expensive software than this, so I highly doubt this thing is going to be pirate proof. Not one company has ever been able to do it yet.

Will I buy it? It really depends on the price. If it's $1000, then hell no. A real AxeFX is a better idea at that point for only $800 more. If it's more like $500-$600, then maybe.

About the demo...I'm pretty disappointed to hear that it will only run for a few minutes at a time. How are we suppose to tweak something this complex to see if we like it in a matter of minutes? Demos sell products...I hope Cliff takes note. Crippling a demo to only run a few minutes at a time would be a huge mistake for this kind of software IMO. Something like a beep every 30 seconds would be better...like what Revalver does.
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Re: AxeFX Going Software. I LOVE IT.

Woo hoo. Now we're talkin'. Software based Axe FX for those of us who cant run TDM only software like Amp Farm and possibly sound better at the same time.

Please dont make a separate interface though. Just use a USB dongle if you wanna curb pirating.



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Re: AxeFX Going Software. I LOVE IT.

dongles can be defeated.


Of course. So youd rather they make you buy a dedicated interface? Thats my point.
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Re: AxeFX Going Software. I LOVE IT.

Cliff says the dedicated interface isn't really an interface in as much as connecting your instrument (you don't have to play through it). It just has to be connected to the computer or the software won't work.
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Re: AxeFX Going Software. I LOVE IT.

FWIW, based on Cliff's posting on the Fractal site, the software will require purchase/connection of the AxeFX hardware interface (whether it is used or not and each one will be keyed/serialed). The interface is your hardware key. It's exactly like the Line 6 Gear Box VST in that regard and the Line 6 Guitar port/Tone Port series. (Ironically, Line 6 just announced an iLok version of the newest VST POD Farm last month and has already released the L6 interface as dongle version). Fact is, piracy happens with software. Basically, you try to make your pricing/policies fair and have a non-intrusive scheme for deterring casual copying. Guitar Rig, Amplitube, Line 6, and Peavey have all managed to make money in this space. Given Fractal's track record, I'd be surprised if they weren't able to make a big splash in spite of the inevitable fact that some people pirate stuff. As near as I can tell the Line 6/Gearbox stuff has not been pirated at anywhere near the frequency of GR3/Amplitube, et al. Of course I don't follow the peer to peer scene much anyway. :idk:
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Re: AxeFX Going Software. I LOVE IT.

Of course. So youd rather they make you buy a dedicated interface? Thats my point.



If they go the route that native instruments went I think they would be fine.
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I hope it drives down the price of the axe-fx standard :smileyvery-happy:
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Re: AxeFX Going Software. I LOVE IT.

WOW!!!
this is something I am really interested in,
Hopefully its not like line 6 gearbox and you have to fork out for each new model you want! I really dont mind paying the extra up front to get a full version with updates.

Heres to hoping,

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Re: AxeFX Going Software. I LOVE IT.

I hope it drives down the price of the axe-fx standard :smileyvery-happy:


I don't imagine anything would drive the prices on the hardware units down until he's able to ramp up production and cut costs on components through price breaks on bigger quantities and whatnot. He's said somewhere in one of the threads that there's little margin as it is in the Axe-FX. So even if he did start to make some savings per unit in the cost, he might choose to just take the profit to start with until more significant cost reductions start happening (which, depending on what he actually is making per unit, might be entirely reasonable considering the amount of work that must have gone into it).

He's in a bit of a different position to say, Line 6, with their already big customer base, big production quantities, and cheap offshore manufacturing.

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Give it 6 months and the Axe-Fx will be mentioned in the same sentence as the Johnson Millenium stuff.
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Re: AxeFX Going Software. I LOVE IT.

Killer.

Will download.

That's right, it'll happen.
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Re: AxeFX Going Software. I LOVE IT.

I dont mean for audio. Just a little USB thumbdrive to authenticate the license.
Dongle authentication can be emulated as well. Ask Steinberg...
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Re: AxeFX Going Software. I LOVE IT.

Interesting... hopefully it performs better than what's currently out there, if they're going to price it like that...
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Will I buy it? It really depends on the price. If it's $1000, then hell no. A real AxeFX is a better idea at that point for only $800 more. If it's more like $500-$600, then maybe.


This, i don't see the point of having a pc software if you can have the real thing that can do the same but can be used to gig everywhere with no need of a PC or Mac :confused:
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Re: AxeFX Going Software. I LOVE IT.

Oh the arrogance :facepalm: Edit: Even though they use the interface for piracy protection, it will be broken within the first month of release. There are people out there that take consider hacking/reverse-engineering these things a hobby.
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Re: AxeFX Going Software. I LOVE IT.

I don't imagine anything would drive the prices on the hardware units down until he's able to ramp up production and cut costs on components through price breaks on bigger quantities and whatnot. He's said somewhere in one of the threads that there's little margin as it is in the Axe-FX. So even if he did start to make some savings per unit in the cost, he might choose to just take the profit to start with until more significant cost reductions start happening (which, depending on what he actually is making per unit, might be entirely reasonable considering the amount of work that must have gone into it).

He's in a bit of a different position to say, Line 6, with their already big customer base, big production quantities, and cheap offshore manufacturing.



I meant the used price :smileysurprised:
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Re: AxeFX Going Software. I LOVE IT.

sounds good but doesnt the axe-fx have fairly decent processing power?
I would imagine it would take a bit of strain on the pc's cpu and thats not including other plug ins running at the same time :idk:
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Re: AxeFX Going Software. I LOVE IT.

I meant the used price :smileysurprised:


Oh I see. :smileysurprised:

Even still, I'm not sure that it really would anyway. I don't imagine people with a hardware Axe would start selling up to buy the software instead. And they're sorta different beasts... I'd rather a rack Axe than having software, if only for the latency issue. But on top of that, I've got no laptop so I'd have to drag around a full desktop PC and monitor 'n' shit to use it. Even with a laptop, you're still carrying around a computer, an interface, and a MIDI switcher to use it live. I'd rather go hardware and have a small rack setup and if at home I want the benefits of the software like simple reamping 'n' whatnot, I'll sort that out myself.

So either demand has to go down, or supply has to go up.. and given the above, I'm not really sure if either of those would happen to a significant degree. :smileysurprised:

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Re: AxeFX Going Software. I LOVE IT.

Oh I see. :smileysurprised:

Even still, I'm not sure that it really would anyway. I don't imagine people with a hardware Axe would start selling up to buy the software instead. And they're sorta different beasts... I'd rather a rack Axe than having software, if only for the latency issue. But on top of that, I've got no laptop so I'd have to drag around a full desktop PC and monitor 'n' shit to use it. Even with a laptop, you're still carrying around a computer, an interface, and a MIDI switcher to use it live. I'd rather go hardware and have a small rack setup and if at home I want the benefits of the software like simple reamping 'n' whatnot, I'll sort that out myself.

So either demand has to go down, or supply has to go up.. and given the above, I'm not really sure if either of those would happen to a significant degree. :smileysurprised:


The demand for used Axefx will go down, due to the option of getting the same tones from the software at a lower price.

There is a big community of software modeler users, and not everyone needs/wants to gig with it.
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Re: AxeFX Going Software. I LOVE IT.

sounds good but doesnt the axe-fx have fairly decent processing power?
I would imagine it would take a bit of strain on the pc's cpu and thats not including other plug ins running at the same time :idk:


It turns out that modern CPU's (like Intel's Core2Duo) is many times faster than whats in the Axe FX. So it should run fine on a modern computer.
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Re: AxeFX Going Software. I LOVE IT.

lol... dongle.

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