02-09-2012 01:08 PM
02-09-2012 01:28 PM
02-09-2012 01:36 PM
Do the Goldtones use a spider bridge also? EDIT: They do
Rhino, that is Dobro's attempt to compete with the Beard Goldtones. It is Asian built, with some minor setup in the US. They are supposed to be decent quality boxes, but I hear that lots of folks will upgrade the cone to a Quarterman or Beard. They are, as you know, spider bridge, which is that sweet singing long sustain sound that you associate with bluegrass. They can be played Spanish style (one advantage to the round neck) but they will be a little quieter than a biscuit and not have the short attack. It will have 12 frets clear (which isn't a problem) but probably will intonate pretty poorly (remember, they were designed first as a slide guitar). If you play up the neck a lot you might be disappointed.
02-09-2012 02:04 PM
02-09-2012 02:44 PM
02-09-2012 05:34 PM
Some years ago when this subject would come up I wrote a little Word doc called Resonators 101 - talks about the three types of cones, various body materials (wood, brass, steel), necks (round and square, narrow and wide, curved and flat), tunings and styles of play. It is dated, but still good background for someone new to resonators. I could e-mail a copy if you would PM me your addy.
One VOM a while back I posted clips of my three resonators playing the same song, as well as a 12 banger. You can hear some of the differences. Got to post #29
02-09-2012 08:58 PM
02-10-2012 08:42 AM
And checking out the three all playing the same track is very helpful. Am I right in assuming the doulain has a biscuit bridge? I really like that delta sound.
02-10-2012 10:38 AM
02-10-2012 11:11 AM
I look forward to checking out that document. The clips were very helpful. While I anticipate playing mostly slide on it, I do a fair bit of fretting even when playing slide. Here is an example of some picking in song I wrote a few weeks ago. It doesn't have any slide, but you'll get the idea. http://www.soundclick.com/player/single_player.cfm
I'll follow up tonight - the doc is on my home computer. The Duolian is brass bodied (you can check this with a magnet), 14 fret clear, and has a NRP "hot rod" cone and a carbon fiber biscuit in it. The 14 fret neck has a little more radius than most 12 fretters which makes it slightly easier to play fretted, slightly harder to play slide. It's a pretty good compromise, but if I wanted a pure slide axe I would tend to go with a 12 fret wider neck. What I hope you hear in the clips is that the metal bodied biscuit has that nasty short attack sound that we associate with delta blues, the spider has the long sustain and very sweet sound of bluegrass dobro. The tricone is somewhere in between, the mass of the tee bridge and cones gives it more sustain and a little more bass, but the whole thing is complicated because mine is wood (whichs mellows the brashness of a brass body). Point is, resonators are very different within the breed - if someone wants one I highly recommend playing a lot of them first. There are some great clips at the National ResoPhonic site - even if you aren't shopping for a NRP that should give you an idea of the sound when played by someone better than me.
02-11-2012 03:48 AM
A lot of that seems to come from setup also. I dont do much slide so I lowerd the action on my Regal steel body Duolian put slightly thinner strings on it, and she just woke up!! When my playing progresses more, and I do more slide work, I might want to redo it... but for now its a fun and diferent sounding guitar.
while Fender's reso has quite a large tone to it. The first few dobro's like above I tried, were okay, but more recent ones are a bit stiff IMHO. YMMV so shop around.
02-13-2012 01:29 PM
02-13-2012 01:51 PM
Thanks for all the input.
I went and played one this past weekend. It was pretty nice. The action was way too high to do any fretting, and I like action, but it felt good with a slide.
It was very heavy.
I'd like to try one with a biscuit bridge before committing.
02-14-2012 08:20 AM
02-14-2012 12:14 PM
02-14-2012 12:51 PM
I read this post and started thinking about the Rogue mandolin I picked up super cheap. While I think it was well worth $50, I was thinking I'd kind of like to get something nicer when it comes to a reso, but then I looked at the gear list in your sig. You have great taste. I will look into this Rogue Triolean Biscuit Resonator! Thanks for the heads up.
If you are looking at that Johnson reso, Musiciansfriend has the same guitar labled "Rogue" Triolean Biscuit resonator for quite a bit lower price. Same guitar I believe. I have one that is very nice although I had to return 2 and the 3rd one was a keeper. Normally $199, on sale I got mine for $129.
02-14-2012 01:09 PM
02-15-2012 07:20 AM
Thanks, hope it works out for you! Musiciansfriend was very good about the returns. The first one had a broken headstock, the second one had a crushed cone. They paid shipping both times and even gave me a discount for the hassle. I'm sure the 3rd time they did a visual inspection before they shipped the guitar.
02-15-2012 07:43 AM
For my financial situation I like the idea of paying ~$200 for the guitar and dropping ~$100 in upgrades. In studying up on them, an all brass one is at the top of my list. They tend to be a bit more expensive. In that price range I'm looking at $300-400 for nickle plated all brass reso and then probably about $100 in upgrades. $500 isn't bad. I might have figured out a way to pay for it last night, too. I'm working on a project with the studio where I just got done cutting an album. Their writing up a proposal to take to a couple of the larger churches around town to fund an album of traditional hymns. There will be enough $ in it for me to get a reso, which I think would be super fun to have for this project.
The common feeling in the reso groups about the PacRim imports is that usually the box is OK, but they frequently need some setup and often benefit from a better cone. The Dobro Hound Dog, all of the Beards Goldtones and the Republics are basically PacRim guitars that have been setup in the US. Their prices tend to be about half way between the pure imports (Rogue/Regal/Johnson/Dean....) and the domestic ones (NRP, Dobro, Beard, Sheerhorn...). Stop and think about it - a new NRP or Quarterman or Beard cone is about 80 dollars - if you are paying 150 for a complete guitar then the cone in it probably isn't all that great. In his dvd on setting up spiders, Paul Beard takes the stamped cone out of the Asian guitar and taps it - it give a kind of dull "thud". He taps a spun cone and it rings like a bell. The box adds some macro effects to the sound (basically governed by material) but the cone is the equivalent of the top on an acoustic - that is where the sound lies. Not say that these aren't bad guitars - they are great for people who just want to dabble in the reso world.
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