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Changing in Latitude... or preferences

Well, as you know, I have a half decent stable of acoustics and I love playing them all. But recently, I've noticed (by the amount of dust that gathered up on my D35 for instance) that I'm more and more drawn to smaller bogdied guitars, like my Binh Grand Concert and away from Spruce and more to Hog, Koa and Cedar. Also, I tend to use picks less and less and rely more on my fingers.

Dreads are not the best guitars for fingerpicking and Spruce is - in my ears - to brash, compared to Hog, Cedar or Koa.

Still, the GC does lack a bit in the volume department. I don't wat to go Jumbo again, My Binh Koa Jumbo is possibly the nicest guitar in the pack, together with the OM, but it's HUGE. Even bigger than a Dread.


Now I wonder ... Would a Grand Symphony body do the trick for me? I will order at Binh's again, so it would be basically a Martin Neck married to a Taylor GS body, possibly Cedar topped with Hog back and sides or all-Koa again.

Any Grand Symphony players out there, who can give their subjective opinion of GS versus GC and Dread body sizes and playability, there is no GS in my neck of the woods available for a test drive.

Alternatively, I'm looking into a Gordon Giltrap-Style body,but I guess nobody has a Gordon Giltrap Fylde or Vintage GG3000...?

Martin: D40, D35, Backpacker
Mr.Binh:"SKT" spruce/maple dread, spruce/rosewood mod. OM-45, all koa jumbo, mod. 814ce and 814ceN
Tanglewood:TW-145/12 SC
Sigma: DRC-28E
Ovation:Elite TX Baritone
Gretsch:G3713
Guild:GAD-25
Washburn: D46SP
Fender:CD140/12
Yamaha:FG730S-NT - for sale! FJX730SC
12-String Ovation Copy, M.Rodriguez C10, HBJC503CEQ, Tenayo Silent Guitar


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OldTwelver
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Re: Changing in Latitude... or preferences

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Let's face it, you're becoming a guitar slut !! Don't get me wrong, there are lots of us around, so far be it for me to be judgmental.:smileyvery-happy:

 

What isn't clear in your question, is what sound you're after? Most GC's I've played were wearing light strings. The few GS's I toyed with were setup with mediums (and darn close to a dread in sound). Tonally very different animals. So, based on the rest of your criteria, I'm guessing the GC is more what you're after ......

 

Paul

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I am a guitar slut. Surely.
And I'm cleaning up my stable. The Yammie FG730, the Fender CD140/12, the Rodriguez Caballero C10, the HBJC503CEQ and possibly the Gretsch are bound to be sold. Partly because they now gather more dust than I like and partly to fund new purchases, said new Binh.

Martin: D40, D35, Backpacker
Mr.Binh:"SKT" spruce/maple dread, spruce/rosewood mod. OM-45, all koa jumbo, mod. 814ce and 814ceN
Tanglewood:TW-145/12 SC
Sigma: DRC-28E
Ovation:Elite TX Baritone
Gretsch:G3713
Guild:GAD-25
Washburn: D46SP
Fender:CD140/12
Yamaha:FG730S-NT - for sale! FJX730SC
12-String Ovation Copy, M.Rodriguez C10, HBJC503CEQ, Tenayo Silent Guitar


-HCAG Civil Posters Society, Charter Member #006.
-Too many guitars, too little talent Club Member #002
-Founder of HCAG GAS Anonymus
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coogar
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Re: Changing in Latitude... or preferences


katopp wrote:

I am a guitar slut. Surely.
And I'm cleaning up my stable. The Yammie FG730, the Fender CD140/12, the Rodriguez Caballero C10, the HBJC503CEQ and possibly the Gretsch are bound to be sold. Partly because they now gather more dust than I like and partly to fund new purchases, said new Binh.


 

I can't understand how some guys can play all their guitars ..when they own say approx 10 or so guitars

as the one guitar id think is good enough for most ..although i realise some people like 2 or 3 guitars

for the different types of music played 

But for the life of me i can't get my head around for the need to have say 10 guitars or so

Maybe you can give me a tip on why its best to own say 10 guitars ?

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Well, I admit, some of my guitars are redundant, hence I will sell them.

Others are there just because of the sheer beauty of the wood and the craftsmanship.

When I look at my stable, the use cases of the guitars are:

1) Binh Spruce/Maple Dread: Irish Trad Session guitar. There to compete with noisy Irish traditonal instruments like fiddle, banjo, accordion ... but extremely hard to record
2) Binh OM35/45: Fingerpicking on the living room couch. Too fragile and delicate to take to a serious gig
3) Binh Koa Jumbo: allrounder, but hard to record
4) Binh GC/GPCA hybrid: Fingerpicking for recording
5) Binh GC/GPCA nylon hybrid: My Nylon-strung guitar
6) Tanglewood TW145/12 SC: One needs a 12-string
7) Sigma DRC28E: To take out when playing acoustic/electric
8) Ovation TX Baritone: For the low moments
9) Martin Backpacker: You won't lug a heavy case around alle the time, will you?
10) Martin D35: Recording. Possibly redundant, but I love it.
11) Martin D40: Surely redundant.
12) Washburn D46SP: redundant if it weren't for the looks.
13) Gretsch 3713: made redundant by the Binh Jumbo. Up for sale
14) Yamaha FG730S: redundant, up for sale
15) Fender CD140/12: redundant, up for sale
16) Rodriguez Caballero C10: made redundant by the Binh GC-Nylon. Up for sale
17) Ovation copy 12-string: sentimental reasons. Belongs to me for 20 years. Not for sale
18) HBJC503CEQ POS to hand out at drunk parties and throw around at holidays
19) Tenayo Silent Guitar: Bought not to annoy the Ex. Possibly for sale.
20) Guild GAD 25 Definitively a keeper. I love the warm hog sound.

That's my zoo. 6 out of 19 for sale. I kept a lot of guitars because they are cheap enough and they all have some specific properties that I really like. The triangular soundhole of the Gretsch, for instance, or the shred-friendly action of the FG. Others are just backups "just in case" something breaks at a gig or session...

Martin: D40, D35, Backpacker
Mr.Binh:"SKT" spruce/maple dread, spruce/rosewood mod. OM-45, all koa jumbo, mod. 814ce and 814ceN
Tanglewood:TW-145/12 SC
Sigma: DRC-28E
Ovation:Elite TX Baritone
Gretsch:G3713
Guild:GAD-25
Washburn: D46SP
Fender:CD140/12
Yamaha:FG730S-NT - for sale! FJX730SC
12-String Ovation Copy, M.Rodriguez C10, HBJC503CEQ, Tenayo Silent Guitar


-HCAG Civil Posters Society, Charter Member #006.
-Too many guitars, too little talent Club Member #002
-Founder of HCAG GAS Anonymus
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Re: Changing in Latitude... or preferences

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katopp wrote:

Well, I admit, some of my guitars are redundant, hence I will sell them.

Others are there just because of the sheer beauty of the wood and the craftsmanship.

When I look at my stable, the use cases of the guitars are:

1) Binh Spruce/Maple Dread: Irish Trad Session guitar. There to compete with noisy Irish traditonal instruments like fiddle, banjo, accordion ... but extremely hard to record
2) Binh OM35/45: Fingerpicking on the living room couch. Too fragile and delicate to take to a serious gig
3) Binh Koa Jumbo: allrounder, but hard to record
4) Binh GC/GPCA hybrid: Fingerpicking for recording
5) Binh GC/GPCA nylon hybrid: My Nylon-strung guitar
6) Tanglewood TW145/12 SC: One needs a 12-string
7) Sigma DRC28E: To take out when playing acoustic/electric
8) Ovation TX Baritone: For the low moments
9) Martin Backpacker: You won't lug a heavy case around alle the time, will you?
10) Martin D35: Recording. Possibly redundant, but I love it.
11) Martin D40: Surely redundant.
12) Washburn D46SP: redundant if it weren't for the looks.
13) Gretsch 3713: made redundant by the Binh Jumbo. Up for sale
14) Yamaha FG730S: redundant, up for sale
15) Fender CD140/12: redundant, up for sale
16) Rodriguez Caballero C10: made redundant by the Binh GC-Nylon. Up for sale
17) Ovation copy 12-string: sentimental reasons. Belongs to me for 20 years. Not for sale
18) HBJC503CEQ POS to hand out at drunk parties and throw around at holidays
19) Tenayo Silent Guitar: Bought not to annoy the Ex. Possibly for sale.
20) Guild GAD 25 Definitively a keeper. I love the warm hog sound.


Well, what really scares me, is that I look at your list and it makes perfect sense to me !!

 Sorta makes me want to stand up in the middle of a group of guitar players and say, "Hello. My name is Paul, and I'm a guitaraholic. But, I'm feeling much better now !!"

 Painfully aware that I could go "overboard" again without much prodding...... :smileyfrustrated:

 

Paul

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Re: Changing in Latitude... or preferences


coogar wrote:

katopp wrote:

I am a guitar slut. Surely.
And I'm cleaning up my stable. The Yammie FG730, the Fender CD140/12, the Rodriguez Caballero C10, the HBJC503CEQ and possibly the Gretsch are bound to be sold. Partly because they now gather more dust than I like and partly to fund new purchases, said new Binh.


 

I can't understand how some guys can play all their guitars ..when they own say approx 10 or so guitars

as the one guitar id think is good enough for most ..although i realise some people like 2 or 3 guitars

for the different types of music played 

But for the life of me i can't get my head around for the need to have say 10 guitars or so

Maybe you can give me a tip on why its best to own say 10 guitars ?


You can play golf with just a 9 iron.  You can catch fish with just a Royal Coachman.  You can drive anywhere you need to go in a Kia.    You can make love in only the missionary position.   Yes, you can play just one guitar.

You can do all of that, but why?

http://www.harmonycentral.com/t5/Acoustic-Guitars/Cars-and-Guitars/td-p/28393437

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Re: Changing in Latitude... or preferences

OK, let me be a little more serious.  I too am a junkie, currently with 11 (I think), with one more in the works.   Here is a pretty normal quiver in more or less the order that I would want them

000-28 (could be an OM-21) - all around finger style guitar.  If I had to settle for just one, that would be it.

Some sort of 12 string - probably the OM-12 which is more or less in standard tuning.

FG-150 - this is my current "beater" - take it camping and on road trips, loan it out when someone needs one.

Some sort of resonator - either a tricone or a Style O National.  

A small bodied 6 string for the blues.  That could be an 00-17 or a L-00 or a ladder braced one.   I'm working on that one right now.

Another 12 string.   This one for altered tunings.   The Stella clone fits the bill perfectly.

A lap slider - either a Dobro or a Weissenborn.   Heck, how about both?

That pretty much covers my collection.   I have two Martin dreads that I keep thinking I should sell but the darn things keep going up in value so I just keep them under the bed.    I built a Les Paul clone and keep thinking about a Tele, but we aren't talking about electrics.   And of course, my little F5 mandolin which doesn't get played nearly enough. 

If I was serious about jazz I'd want an archtop, and maybe a nylon for classical.....

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Re: Changing in Latitude... or preferences

I'm a one guitar person, but that doesn't mean I'm going to stick with the same guitar forever ...

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Opa John
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Re: Changing in Latitude... or preferences

To each his own. I like dreadnoughts. I've liked dreadnoughts since the very first one I ever owned over 30 years ago. I like the looks of 'em, the feel of 'em and the sound of 'em. No other style is on my "want" list.

I've got three of 'em. A Martin DM with a natural satin finish. an all mahogany Martin D-15M and a Yamaha FG730S in tobacco burst. They each have their own look and sound, but all are still basic dreadnoughts. They're all the guitars I'll ever need.

When and If I buy another guitar, I'll use my money for another dreadnought and you guys can use your money to buy whatever you like.

I think some of you guys are still trying to find a guitar you like.......I've already found mine.

 

2009 Yamaha FG730S TB

2001 Martin DM

2012 Martin D-15M

A fiddle, a mando, a uke, eight harmonicas, a Zoom H2, a Panasonic recorder, coupla penny whistles, an Italian made Titano accordion, three handguns, at least a dozen chess sets, more power tools than Bob Vila, and one old Westclox "Big Ben" wind-up alarm clock that still works!
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Re: Changing in Latitude... or preferences

I would've figured you for at least a Telecaster in there, OJ.
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This is the acoustic guitar section..

And as my sig says, I am a guitarholic and I openly admit having GAS. I'm founder of HCAG GAS Anonymous...

And yes, I do have a Lester, Tele, Strat, 335 and a vintage Jap Axe. But I don't play them anymore and I won't buy new stuf and I actually SOLD one electric this year already.

Martin: D40, D35, Backpacker
Mr.Binh:"SKT" spruce/maple dread, spruce/rosewood mod. OM-45, all koa jumbo, mod. 814ce and 814ceN
Tanglewood:TW-145/12 SC
Sigma: DRC-28E
Ovation:Elite TX Baritone
Gretsch:G3713
Guild:GAD-25
Washburn: D46SP
Fender:CD140/12
Yamaha:FG730S-NT - for sale! FJX730SC
12-String Ovation Copy, M.Rodriguez C10, HBJC503CEQ, Tenayo Silent Guitar


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-Too many guitars, too little talent Club Member #002
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Opa John
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Re: Changing in Latitude... or preferences


jamesp wrote:
I would've figured you for at least a Telecaster in there, OJ.

The only electric I ever owned in my life was a cheap POS Japanese Telecaster knock-off that I took in lieu of money that a friend of mine owed me. Took me 30 days to sell that thing, but I ended up making a few extra bucks on the deal. That was 40 years ago. I've never had the slightest desire to own an electric guitar since then. It just ain't my thing. 

2009 Yamaha FG730S TB

2001 Martin DM

2012 Martin D-15M

A fiddle, a mando, a uke, eight harmonicas, a Zoom H2, a Panasonic recorder, coupla penny whistles, an Italian made Titano accordion, three handguns, at least a dozen chess sets, more power tools than Bob Vila, and one old Westclox "Big Ben" wind-up alarm clock that still works!
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coogar
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A Kinda like the sound of Opa Johns post which sounds more like myself

which is I think some of you guys are still trying to find a guitar you like - I've already found mine.

 

was just a little persplexed as to how someone needs approx 10 guitars lol

I mean what happens with the others when not in use

as theyre just laying there picking up dust surely

 

Anyhow all to their own i say :smileyvery-happy:

 

 

 

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coogar wrote:

A Kinda like the sound of Opa Johns post which sounds more like myself

which is I think some of you guys are still trying to find a guitar you like - I've already found mine.

 

was just a little persplexed as to how someone needs approx 10 guitars lol

I mean what happens with the others when not in use

as theyre just laying there picking up dust surely

 

Anyhow all to their own i say :smileyvery-happy:

 

 

 


You kind of missed my tongue in cheek response.  Each of my guitars is very different - has a different sound, is good for different kinds of playing or different music.   Each is a tool with its own applications.   I don't have ten of the same thing (however I can offer a justification for a couple of the same) - I have ten or eleven very different guitars.

I play several different styles of music and use lots of altered tunings.   In some cases I have special string sets that favor a particular tuning - for example my resonators (yes I have three - open G, open D, and high bass G (lap style)).   I have three twelve strings - tuned and played very differently.   I have a small bodied six string which is favored for fingerstyle and a big old classic Martin dread which is a strummer/flat picker.

I have a slight advantage over most people in that I build guitars so most of these are my home made ones - and in many cases I build to try to achieve a particular playing style or sound (how about a 27" scale 12 string tuned to C#?).

I think it would be boring as hell to only own one guitar and only play one style.   And no, they don't get dusty.

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btw - look at OJ's sig - he's got eight harmonicas.   EIGHT!  I mean you can only blow one harp at a time, right?  What happens the others - do they get rusty?   Different keys?   We don't need no stinkin' different keys - can't you just put a capo on it?

John, I also notice from your sig the wind up alarm clock.   We also have a few clocks including the 1910 Seth Thomas on the left (which works) and the little one on the right that dates to the Civil War (that doesn't work, but has been in my family for generations).   And to keep slightly on topic, my FK-5 mandolin

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Freeman, trust me...I fully understand why you have so many git boxes. As for my harmonicas....actually I've got 9 of 'em, but 2 of 'em are in the key of "E", so I only counted the first one. So...8 of 'em in A, B, C, D, E, F, G  and B flat. Now, all I need is C#, D#, F# and G# and I'll be set. :smileyvery-happy:

BTW, a guy I worked with on the Pershing Missle System in Germany back in the late '60s was another civilian who worked out of Huntsville, Alabama (Redstone Arsenal) for Martin Marietta Corp. His name was George Williams and George spent a lot of his off time finding and buying up antique German wall and mantel clocks from the local antique shops and sending them back to the states. He was getting these clocks for prices in the $40-$50 range at the time and figured a lot of them were worth anywhere from $200 to $400 apiece here in the states. The last time I talked with him (he'd been doing it for about three years at the time) he'd already sent home close to 150 clocks.........he said. Just a little "side line" operation he had going.

There were five of these Redstone guys over there where I worked and they were all GS-12s, so I know they had the extra geld to buy whatever they wanted. I was a "lowly" GS-10 with Northrop. There was seven of us on our contract, and I know our pay wasn't bad, so I can only imagine how much extra money old George had to throw around. 

The only clocks I have that are worth anything is one big cuckoo clock, bought in the Black Forest, that's worth about $600 now and a Kundo wind-up anniversary clock that also came from Germany. The one with the big glass dome on it. Kinda gaudy looking thing, but some people like 'em, I guess.

I've never collected anything except for a few Chess sets and most of those aren't expensive ones. I DO, however, have one really nice set that I brought home from Germany with me in '72. We went back to Germany, Austria and Switzerland in '89 on vacation for a month and I brought back a really nice (and expensive) Chess set for a friend of mine. Bought it in the Bavarian Alps......Garmisch, Germany. My wife kept telling me to get two of them (one for me), but I didn't. Chess players don't usually play with expensive sets.......those are just for show and atmosphere in one's billiard room. I don't have a billiard room!  

 

2009 Yamaha FG730S TB

2001 Martin DM

2012 Martin D-15M

A fiddle, a mando, a uke, eight harmonicas, a Zoom H2, a Panasonic recorder, coupla penny whistles, an Italian made Titano accordion, three handguns, at least a dozen chess sets, more power tools than Bob Vila, and one old Westclox "Big Ben" wind-up alarm clock that still works!
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Re: Changing in Latitude... or preferences

So, after explaining ourselves why we have more than one guitar (or why we only ever need one), could we now PLEASE return to where we started?

How does the GS compare to the GC? How close is a GS to a Jumbo? Would going for GA be more intelligent as I already have a GC and a Jumbo?

Martin: D40, D35, Backpacker
Mr.Binh:"SKT" spruce/maple dread, spruce/rosewood mod. OM-45, all koa jumbo, mod. 814ce and 814ceN
Tanglewood:TW-145/12 SC
Sigma: DRC-28E
Ovation:Elite TX Baritone
Gretsch:G3713
Guild:GAD-25
Washburn: D46SP
Fender:CD140/12
Yamaha:FG730S-NT - for sale! FJX730SC
12-String Ovation Copy, M.Rodriguez C10, HBJC503CEQ, Tenayo Silent Guitar


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-Too many guitars, too little talent Club Member #002
-Founder of HCAG GAS Anonymus
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Re: Changing in Latitude... or preferences


katopp wrote:

So, after explaining ourselves why we have more than one guitar (or why we only ever need one), could we now PLEASE return to where we started?

How does the GS compare to the GC? How close is a GS to a Jumbo? Would going for GA be more intelligent as I already have a GC and a Jumbo?


 

I have no idea.

But I shall continue to enjoy playing all of my 12 guitars. 

Howard

"It is absolutely safe to say that, if you meet somebody who claims not to believe in evolution, that person is ignorant, stupid or insane (or wicked, but I'd rather not consider that)". . [Richard Dawkins]
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Re: Changing in Latitude... or preferences


katopp wrote:

So, after explaining ourselves why we have more than one guitar (or why we only ever need one), could we now PLEASE return to where we started?

How does the GS compare to the GC? How close is a GS to a Jumbo? Would going for GA be more intelligent as I already have a GC and a Jumbo?


 

While I can't offer a whole lot of help here, Bob Taylor can.   Get the latest issue of Wood and Steel (might be available on line) - Taylor describes each of their five sizes (GC, GA, GS, DN, and the new GO) and what they think style of music is best for each one.  The GC is a little short scale finger picker, the GA is their "all around" model.   Note that they say the GS is more or less a strummers guitar - their answer to a better dread (they even suggest taking one to a bluegrass jam) and the new GO is a Taylorized jumbo (they have dropped the true jumbo).  They still offer the true dread size, but say they have given it the "taylor sound".

I get all confused by these names - I know there are Concert and Auditorium models, but in taylors lineup everything is Grand X.   The GA seems awfully close to the traditional martin OM size, yet taylors new jumbo is called a Grand Orchestra and it looks a whole lot bigger than an OM.    Also,  the GS size is what they use for both their 12 strings and the baritones now - they have dropped the xx5 series.    The GS Mini name seems a little out of place (it is very short scale travel sized guitar).    Except for the the baritone (27 inch scale) and the GC (24.9) all Taylors are now long scale (25.5).

Obviously you should pla all of these sizes in the same tone woods that you are considering, but the W&S articles should help answer some of your questions.

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