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I read there is compression on the inputs ,but for the price of this thing it should have included DSP processing similar to or better than the Steinberg MR816 CSX or even TC Studio konnekt 48. You're going to tell me with all that "power" of the included fantom, they couldn't allocate some for DSP??? I also feel that the ARX is going to the way of the dinosaur. Some will read this and say "oh thats why there is native processing for effects and plugs" true, but what about all the latency and buffer issues? Who wants to program a computer when one is creating music? I truly believe for that price they should of put some UAD/Powercore type of capability in the box.
Well...the UAD Quad, which is what you'd want for a system like this, ranges in price from $1,900 to $2,500 list. And that's not including the optional plug-ins. Raising the V-Studio price an additional 50% or so would make no sense, especially for those who had already invested in PowerCore or UAD systems (read the preceding post - people don't like to pay for something they already have).
The Fantom is, as far as I know, not a general-purpose DSP device made to act like a synth, but uses dedicated synth chips. These don't lend themselves to being re-configured the same way that, say, a SHARC can.
Wouldn't it make more sense not to pay extra for the V-Studio, and instead just buy whatever system you want - PowerCore, Duende, UAD, Sonic Core, etc.?
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Craig, any idea if Cakewalk has any plans of releasing the components separately at some point?
I've asked about this, and so far, it's a no...I can't speak for Cakewalk, but their whole point is the integration aspect and I think they don't want to mess with that.
At this point I've used the system for a while. It's not fully functional, and as it's a production prototype, it needs to go back to the factory soon. However, I've been using it virtually every day in some capacity, and the integration thing is a big deal. However, I'm with you: It would be nice to release the control surface by itself, as long as people were aware that the "mic preamp gain trim" parameters on the console aren't going to do anything unless you're using the Cakewalk interface....
I have amassed quite a few mic pre's and outboard synths that I have little use for the I/O part of this system. I do LOVE the custom control surface that Pro Tools users have enjoyed for years. I have used the Mackie but found it not quite what I wanted. I have been waiting for a product like this forever and really hope to get the control surface on its own! I have been using Sonar since 2.0 and just found it suited my workflow the best.
My first reaction was also "what a waste, I already have an interface and preamps." My attitude has changed somewhat after using it. First, for whatever reason (Sonar 8's revamped engine? Better drivers? Interface hardware?) the latencies I'm getting are much lower than I've had before. Second, the mic pres are extremely "clean" and neutral. However, they can't replace some of the more "colorful" pres I have. But, if I want color, that's what I'll use regardless of what's in the V-Studio.
On the other hand I'm getting really excellent detail with condenser mics, and with sources like synth and bass, the detail also shows through. So, while I could do just fine without the pres, they've added another option to the studio that works very well with certain sources.
Lately I've been using it as a Mackie Control and been pretty happy with that, too. So far, so good...
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The package overall seems really great. Maybe after a little demoing when the final product is released, selling off some of the "cleaner" pre-amps and less useful gear for the v-studio package may make the cost worth while, especially considering the time savings with specific controls along with saving mic pre settings for different applications really brings a new meaning to templates and pre-sets.
Maybe a lower cost control surface only similar to that of the V-studio could help bridge the gap between Pro-level and that of the hobbyist looking for an alternative to the Mackie control. I'm not downing Mackie products in anyway, but you can't beat the integration of hardware and software manufactured under the same roof. What do ya say Cakewalk? 
The package overall seems really great. Maybe after a little demoing when the final product is released, selling off some of the "cleaner" pre-amps and less useful gear for the v-studio package may make the cost worth while, especially considering the time savings with specific controls along with saving mic pre settings for different applications really brings a new meaning to templates and pre-sets.
Maybe a lower cost control surface only similar to that of the V-studio could help bridge the gap between Pro-level and that of the hobbyist looking for an alternative to the Mackie control. I'm not downing Mackie products in anyway, but you can't beat the integration of hardware and software manufactured under the same roof. What do ya say Cakewalk?
Again, I can't speak for Cakewalk, but I hear ya: I love the Euphonix Artist Series, for example, and Sonar IS EuCon compatible...but you need a Mac to run the Euphonix software, it's not out for Windows yet...and you need an applet for Windows that can listen to what's being sent by the Mac, and I don't think that's out yet, either. Overall, that's too klugey for me right now with Sonar. If the Artist Series controller worked with Sonar as well as it does on the Mac with Logic or Cubase, you'd have your option right there.
As to a lower-cost control surface, I think that the main expenses are in the casing, tooling, moving faders, and rotary encoders rather than the electronics. So the main way Cakewalk could cut costs would be to reduce the number of moving faders and encoders, but one of the big strengths of the console is having all those controls at your fingertips. I dunno...maybe someone from Cakewalk could chime in.
My guess is that they needed to bring out the "pro level" product first. Sonar has made tremendous inroads into the marketplace, but needed something like the V-Studio if they wanted to displace users of other high-end DAWs. I suspect if the V-Studio does well, there would likely be downmarket versions. But again, let me stress this is all speculation.
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As to a lower-cost control surface, I think that the main expenses are in the casing, tooling, moving faders, and rotary encoders rather than the electronics. So the main way Cakewalk could cut costs would be to reduce the number of moving faders and encoders, but one of the big strengths of the console is having all those controls at your fingertips. I dunno...maybe someone from Cakewalk could chime in.
Not to be a doubting Thomas...and there certainly is no comparison between the two items...but are moving faders and encoders that expensive to implement? Even cheap products like the $200 Behringer BCF2000 have moving faders.
Not to be a doubting Thomas...and there certainly is no comparison between the two items...but are moving faders and encoders that expensive to implement? Even cheap products like the $200 Behringer BCF2000 has moving faders.
There are large differences in costs among moving faders, based on their mean time between failures and overall reliability. I suspect Cakewalk is using the high-priced spread.
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A little off topic, but are there any QWERTY keyboards that work with Sonar 7 and/or 8 with the pre-printed shortcuts on them?
Not that I know of, but this might be something you want to ask in the Cakewalk forums.
Any estimated release dates for the V-Studio or availability for the general public to have a look at them?
At AES, V-Studio was announced as "1st quarter 2009." I believe they are sticking to that, but it wouldn't surprise me if it was earlier in the quarter rather than later.
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A little off topic, but are there any QWERTY keyboards that work with Sonar 7 and/or 8 with the pre-printed shortcuts on them? I know they make them for Pro-Tools and Logic and I would love to grab one for Sonar. It may help bridge the gap between my less than stellar control surface and the mousing through menus.
Any estimated release dates for the V-Studio or availability for the general public to have a look at them?
If you shoot over to ebay, you can find a couple of listings with Sonar Stick-ons to cover the basics.
Do a search for "Cakewalk Sonar Keyboard Stickers" and you come up with no listings in the general availability areas but in the stores listing that comes up with it you'll find the stickers for $6.50 (or "Best Offer") plus $3.50 shipping.
Also, do a search for "Editing Keys for Cakewalk" and you come up with a listing for Editors Keys, sold in the UK that you can buy.
I think the stickers can be found via www.editorskeys.com.
Am I missing something here?
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