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  1. I remember when this was 'the place' to talk about music. It's like a ghost town.
  2. It's amazing how long this topic kept going after it started. Came back here for a different purpose and had a glance through old posts to see if anything had happened.
  3. Wow. A like for a post from before likes existed. I had to re-set my password to figure my way back onto this forum. Such vim and vigor looking at the 27 year old me fighting so hard for something that really didn't matter or affect me.
  4. Finally putting up my setup on this thread. I am in a weekend warrior type situation running sound from on stage. Rock to hard rock (lots of acdc/zeppelin type stuff). I have built this system up slowly and probably not particularly smartly over several years. Largely second hand and cheap. Mostly used for crowds up to 150 people. Usually far less. Have run sound maybe 15 times so far in various situations, but have helped with sound through other engineers a lot more than that. Starting to get more regular gigs now. 2 yamaha 12" speakers on sticks (don't remember model number) 2 Etone single 15" folded horns, bought cheap, big, heavy, but loud, solid and reliable. 2 EV 12" wedges - These have been good since day one. 2 Custom made wedges with Nessel speakers. Close to the ev's in quality 1 Peavey PV2000 power amp (4 unit brick) 1 Yamaha P3200 power amp 2 ZPE 600 power amps (4 unit bricks) Soundcraft M12 mixing board (modified for 4 pre fader sends) 3 Ross 31 band eq's (single rack unit) 1 Dbx 166xl compressor Audiopile drum mics 2 Ramsa vocal mics 1 SM58 Various basic mics and di boxes. Several par56's (4 on a stand) and a large number of mini par m16's. Overall I am happy with the sound I get in the given situation. Of all the components the mains and the vocal mics are the weakest points. My main problems with this system are to do with weight, setting up and transport. I'm currently working on replacing the brick amplifiers, I am also working out better/easier ways to connect up the components. I currently have no snakes or pre-wired racks. Between good setting up, decent mics and decent wedges i do not have any feedback problems. I keep my foldback settings unchanged from gig to gig and I think only one frequency is slightly turned down. I don't run eq on the mains and the sound out the front is fine being perfectly flat - I also don't run eq on the drum fill and don't have a singing drummer. So far I haven't had power problems. Played without all my lights the other week with everything on stage running of a single circuit - no problem. Essentially I know my limitations. I don't claim that this rig will do really big gigs but for the places we play it has been absolutely fine.
  5. I am not at all confused, I've studied this for a year already (diploma of music). I'm not studying music business specific course, but we did do the same copyright and publishing classes that they did. Did you even read the multiple posts above. Offer me proof and I'll believe you but I have so far 5 independent sources of proof and I haven't seen one from you. (I did check BMI and ASCAP and found nothing - not suprising since they are performing rights associations - not copyright associations). In addition, often the record company is not the publisher of the artist so it wouldn't say the record company. e.g. emi has a publishing arm called emi publishing - yet records have (p) emi records 2001. Show me an example of, for example, (p) warner-chappel publishing 19XX. It doesn't exist (at least on cd's, don't know about book form but I'm not talking about that). I'm going to keep bringing forth proofs and arguments until I am believed. Originally posted by Dance123 Also, if the C symbol refers to the copyright of the song (lyrics, composition?), why is the record label being mention and not the publisher (or publishing affiliate of the label) since I thought the publisher has the copyright of the song, isn't that so?! The publishing company is not mentioned as they don't own any copyright. The individual owns copyright in a song unless they have assigned it permanently to another party - often administered by the publisher, the record label owns copyright of the recording.
  6. oops, forgot the link: http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ1.html
  7. Another one: Library of congress copyright office (is that american enough for you). Form of Notice for Phonorecords of Sound Recordings* * Sound recordings are defined in the law as "works that result from the fixation of a series of musical, spoken, or other sounds, but not including the sounds accompanying a motion picture or other audiovisual work." Common examples include recordings of music, drama, or lectures. A sound recording is not the same as a phonorecord. A phonorecord is the physical object in which works of authorship are embodied. The word "phonorecord" includes cassette tapes, CDs, LPs, 45 r. p. m. disks, as well as other formats. The notice for phonorecords embodying a sound recording should contain all the following three elements: 1. The symbol (the letter P in a circle); and 2. The year of first publication of the sound recording; and 3. The name of the owner of copyright in the sound recording, or an abbreviation by which the name can be recognized, or a generally known alternative designation of the owner. If the producer of the sound recording is named on the phonorecord label or container and if no other name appears in conjunction with the notice, the producer's name shall be considered a part of the notice. Example: 2002 A. B. C. Records Inc.
  8. What proof I've been able to find: The first one is not proof positive, the second could be refuted, the third I don't think you could refute. The first two are from googling the words phonographic copywrite symbol. That put me on the track for the third link. From http://desktoppub.about.com/cs/finetypography/ht/copyright_tm.htm Point 12: The circled P copyright symbol for sound recordings is not standard in most fonts. It can be found in some specialty fonts or extended characters sets. Although not yet widely supported in Web browsers, & #8471; (with no space) is the Sound Recording Copyright Symbol in Unicode ?. From http://www.rcm.ac.uk/Copyright/14_1.htm For sound recordings, the mark of a P in a circle was introduced at the Rome convention of 1961. It should be applied to all recorded formats to indicate the phonographic nature of the copyright. From http://www.wipo.int/clea/docs/en/wo/wo024en.htm (Rome convention of 1961) Article 11 [Formalities for Phonograms] If, as a condition of protecting the rights of producers of phonograms, or of performers, or both, in relation to phonograms, a Contracting State, under its domestic law, requires compliance with formalities, these shall be considered as fulfilled if all the copies in commerce of the published phonogram or their containers bear a notice consisting of the symbol (P), accompanied by the year date of the first publication, placed in such a manner as to give reasonable notice of claim of protection; and if the copies or their containers do not identify the producer or the licensee of the producer (by carrying his name, trade mark or other appropriate designation), the notice shall also include the name of the owner of the rights of the producer; and, furthermore, if the copies or their containers do not identify the principal performers, the notice shall also include the name of the person who, in the country in which the fixation was effected, owns the rights of such performers. Please note, the rome convention is an international convention including the US - this is not aussie exclusive.
  9. Originally posted by Scheming Demon Thanks Kid, that's what I've always been taught until I got scolded by the Aussie for speaking out of turn. It's possible he's right for Australia and we are right for the USA. I don't know anything about music copyrighting and publishing anywhere but here. Show me proof!!
  10. From:http://www.high-techproductions.com/copyright.htm Form of Notice for Phonorecords of Sound Recordings The copyright notice for phonorecords of sound recordings* has somewhat different requirements. The notice appearing on phonorecords should contain the following three elements: *Sound recordings are defined as "works that result from the fixation of a series of musical, spoken, or other sounds, but not including the sounds accompanying a motion picture or other audiovisual work, regardless of the nature of the material objects, such as disks, tapes, or other phonorecords, in which they are embodied. 1. The sound recording copyright symbol (the letter "P" in a circle); and 2. The year of first publication of the sound recording; and 3. The name of the owner of copyright in the sound recording, or an abbreviation by which the name can be recognized, or a generally known alternative designation of the owner. If the producer of the sound recording is named on the phonorecord labels or containers, and if no other name appears in conjunction with the notice, the producer's name shall be considered a part of the notice. Position of Notice The notice should be affixed to copies or phonorecords of the work in such a manner and location as to "give reasonable notice of the claim of copyright." The notice on phonorecords may appear on the surface of the phonorecord or on the phonorecord label or container, provided the manner of placement and location give reasonable notice of the claim. The three elements of the notice should ordinarily appear together on the copies or phonorecords. The Copyright Office has issued regulations concerning the form and position of the copyright notice in the Code of Federal Regulations (37 CFR Part 201). For more information, request Circular 3 It doesn't actually say what the P copyright symbol means on any web site I have found but I can assure you it is phonograph. It is an anachronism today but does mean ownership of the sound recording (as opposed to the song or the performance). Until recently this was almost exclusively record companies as home recordings (where the recorder payed for the recording) didn't really exist. The C copyright in terms of music is for lyrics and melody only. I think packaging is covered seperately (but is assumed). Publishing has nothing to do with either of them (except in terms of collecting the money from C copyright for you).
  11. Originally posted by Scheming Demon The c encircled means the songs have been copyrighted. More specifically registered with the copyright office in DC. The p encircled means the songs have been published. Get your facts straight before posting with such authority. C means copyright - registered with whoever depending on the country the song comes from. (in australia this is automatic - doesn't have to be registered but can be challenged). Copyright covers the lyrics and MELODY of the song. Chord structures can not be copyrighted although musical riffs may count as melody. P - and this is where you are dead wrong - stands for phonographic copyright and is a copyright of the sound recording owned by whoever paid for the sound recording (usually the record company). It is nothing to do with publishing. Publishing is generally just a way of getting the songs of a song writer out into the public (through A&R, soundtracks, commercials etc.) and then collecting royalties that the songwriter is entitled to for those songs. This is in exchange for a percentage of the royalties. A song writer could do it all him or her self but it would not be worth the amount of time invested.
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