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  1. Originally posted by steve10358 I know for a fact that the Diezel is THICKER than any of the amps you've stated. S. No, that statement is just plain wrong.
  2. Originally posted by maz_master Only saw pics and descriptions of the Mako and Herbert. Without knowing more detail regarding the mounting structure and thickness of the Herbert PCB (to support PCB-mounted power tubes), it's hard to compare the two. They can easily be equally hardy. Build quality is more than PTP layout and chassis-mounted tubes. For example, my first Shiva was built like a tank and generally used all of the techniques recognized as contributing to low failure rate in the field. However, the power tubes used extremely high plate voltages for EL34s/6L6s (around 520V) and were biased at near the max idle plate dissipation (Class AB should not run much beyond 60-70%). Yet, when I found other design problems in the amp (discussed below), Reinhold admitted to me that the hot bias and high voltage resulted in a lot of failures in the field. So, on future Shivas (one of which I owned), they reduced both (which also affected the tone, IMO). You can't see plate voltages and idle currents in a picture, so how can you compare that parameter? Another example of poor quality on the early Shivas was the low relay coil current-limiting resistor which resulted in burned out channel and boost switching relay coils. Can't see that in a picture either. Another example of poor quality on the early Shivas was the excessively low resistance of the current limiting resistors in series with the LEDs in the footswitch. They eventually caused the LEDs to burn out or become intermittent, thus opening the circuit and causing channel switching oscillation during gigs!!! This happened to me at two packed gigs! Bogner had no clue why this was happening. They initially denied it completely but after I spent the better part of a weekend finding that problem and offering them a circuit (which required simultaneous equations to solve) which properly sized the current limiting resistors for both the boost and gain LEDs, Reinhold called me at home, thanked me for finding the problem and then finally admitted they were seeing a lot of these failures in the field. First of all, the LEDs should not be in the switching path, but if they are, they should be properly limited for current! Bogner did neither. Can't see that kind of thing in a picture either. So, it's impossible to simply look at pics of the Herbert and Mako and predict which will be more reliable on the road! There's just too much else going on with component values and circuit architecture. An improperly sized resistor in a PTP MIL-SPEC layout will fail just as readily as one in a cheap PCB circuit! Yes, there are some general things to look for in a pic (like chassis-mounted power tubes, pots, switches, jacks, etc), but it only tells part of the story. But, knowing the reps of both Andrew and Peter, I'd bet my next paycheck that both products are equally road-worthy. Alright, I see what your saying about the Bogner. Would my past comments on Diezel build quality make more sense if I replaced the term "build quality" with "structural integrity?". Alot of the stuff you're talking about is circuit design issues. I was refering to the structural rigidity of the entire unit only, which again has nothing to do with sound or operational characteristics, but has everything to do with how much abuse the amp can take, which is important when the amp is tossed around alot.
  3. Originally posted by steve10358 Chassis flex? Have you even PLAYED a diezel?? It's got thick ass aluminum w/ reinforced ends... not to mention the 1/4" of faceplate on both sides- there is ZERO chassis flex. And I am still waiting for what you didnt like about the build quality of the Diezel. You still havent given an example of a failure, or even a design flaw. Have I played a Diezel amp? I've bought, played, jammed with, recorded, and sold a Diezel amp for your information. Here's the deal; I'm not saying the Diezel chassis is particularly weak, I'm saying that when moderate force is applied to the middle of it (in the back) the chassis moves in and out a bit. Mine did, thats for {censored}ing sure. What does that have to do with the operation of the amp? Nothing! But here's the point; lets say you (or a roadie who doesn't give a {censored}) drops it and it lands on a hard surface of some sort, like stairs or the edge of a cabinet. That spot is going to dent and push the componets around inside! The point of bringing Mako and Wizard into the equation regarding build quality is that you'd have to pound on the chassis with a {censored}ing hammer to make the slightest indentation on the chassis of those amps. A friend of mine accidently dropped his Wizard down a 13 stair flight of stairs and that amp bounced 3 or 4 times on the way down and landed hard on concrete. The wooden headshell was damaged but the chassis was unscathed. Afterwords when plugged in the Wizard performed perfectly. Would a Diezel still work after being put through that? Maybe, maybe not, but I think the chances of a Diezel working perfectly after such an accident (or other blatant abuse) would be less than that of a Wizard or Mako.
  4. Originally posted by Rufus Leaking I'm sure you'll love it... but just to give The Game some back up here, you really should look into Mako (who he was comparing Diezel to) and their build philosophy... no PCB mounted sockets here; http://www.makoamplification.com/about_philosophy.html Thank you. At the risk of offending the Diezel lovers out there again, I'll say the Herbert has GREAT build quality..... ....but if you examine the Mako philosophy you'll realize that Mako's quality is even GREATER! Honestly, I am begging the Diezel lovers to show me how that statement is slanderous to Diezel??? I don't get it?
  5. Originally posted by maz_master You compared it to Mesa. Show me. Quote to your hearts content.
  6. Originally posted by maz_master I haven't heard any pro players get good tone from a Recto. That amp has brainwashed a whole generation of young players into thinking good tone is gained out fuzzy mush. Hate the band, but Reb Beach from winger got a great Recto sound on the "Pull" CD. Also Chris Haskett (sp?) from Henry Rollins band had amazing tones from his Rack-ti-fiers. Check out Woodstock 94. His tone crushed Metallica's!!!
  7. Originally posted by Snider Totally agree. The full frequency is not there. It took me three tries over more than a year and I was a huge advocate but in the end- no cut, little vibe. If the amp was as good or better than channel 3 of the VH4 you would see more pro's using them. The Herbert is a good amp and has some amazing features and I would go as far to say it is the most versatile bedroom amp ever made as that is what I think it's amazing at, but in a band setting the Einstein and even better Channel 3 of the VH4 are far beyond Herbie. Ch 3 in VH4-That is a great tone to me. I havn't even started to comment on the SOUND of the Herbert so far in this thread but I'll say I agree 100% with you on that.
  8. Originally posted by Wizard of Ozz +1 That and downtuned to A flat 7 string numetal slop. They really can do much more. Curious; are all bands who tune down very low crap in your opinion? What about Nevermore or Cannibal Corpse? Like them or not, they both tune down super low (B flat) yet both bands have some of the tightest guitarists in metal EVER.
  9. Originally posted by maz_master I'm pretty familiar with Mako. I had one on order a couple years ago and chatted with Andrew Solner quite a bit. HOWEVER, his build quality is outrageous! Absolutely impeccable and indestructible! So you ordered a Mako but ultimately never got one? Have you seen one in person then? From your description of the Mako, are you admitting the build quality of Mako is somewhat higher than Diezel?
  10. Originally posted by maz_master Well, fair enough. Actually, I believe I initially jumped into this thread when people started bashing Diezel build quality without providing any concrete examples. God, I hope I don't plug into one now and not like it!!! Quote me where I "bashed" Diezel build quality....
  11. I wonder if my avatar is inflamming people's emotions in this thread? I have to go now; I'll be back tommorrow. Good night everyone;)
  12. Originally posted by [EB] Rob Hmm.. I owned a triple recto before switching to Diezel Herbert. I have to say that I'm very content with it. It adds something that I couldn't find in the recto.. I tried my Herbert on another cab, though. I compared the Diezel cab to a Bogner V30, and the Bogner won by a mile... You say you prefer the Herbert over the Recto, thats cool. Therefore you have something good to say about 1 particular Diezel product; again thats great. But landsakes, you actually prefer another brand over Diezel for your cabinet choice? Heresy! You heretic! I wonder when the Diezel police will lynch you for stating something that is incongruous with their own philosophies.
  13. Originally posted by Electric Glide You are... the one and only! Sir P. D. I know from countless online testimonials and personal experience that Peter is a GREAT guy, but are you calling him Sir like he's royalty or something like that? Maybe you're letting the fact that since Peter is so cool and acomodating influence your perception of the amp itself? Not that Diezel amps don't deserve some praise in and of themselves, because they do, but do you see what I mean? By contrast, the maker of my favourite amps on the planet, Wizard, is not, to put it mildly - as easy to get along with as Peter, but that has absolutely no bearing on my opinion of the amp itself.
  14. Originally posted by Peter Diezel Thanks But I assume, that thegame don
  15. Originally posted by argonaut4 I should be getting it back soon. I ordered a MP awhile back, too. That should also be coming soon. Whats an MP???
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